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One Stone, Two Powers: How Chief Justice Roberts Saved America
Scribd.com ^ | July 7, 2012 | Talisker

Posted on 07/07/2012 7:39:49 AM PDT by Talisker

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To: Honcho

Exactly. This is more legalistic splitting hairs and “it depends on what the definition of is is.”

Wasn’t their a guy going around stating that paying income taxes is unconstitutional and wrote a book about how you shouldn’t pay them. Both he and those who took his advice got sent up the river. Not that I think income tax IS constitutional, but ummm the federales can do as they please and Roberts just gave them MORE ammo to run roughshod over liberty.


22 posted on 07/07/2012 8:06:31 AM PDT by AbolishCSEU (Percentage of Income in CS is inversely proportionate to Mother's parenting of children)
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To: gmartinz
I’m not here to bail you out of the mess you’ve created. Grow up and do the right thing.

BS. His duty is to UPHOLD The Constitution.

He failed and so does your post.

23 posted on 07/07/2012 8:06:39 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: gmartinz

The job of the SCOTUS is to rule based on the Constitution, NOT to put the blame on the people for electing people who trample on the Constitution.


24 posted on 07/07/2012 8:07:40 AM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: Talisker

25 posted on 07/07/2012 8:09:35 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Talisker


26 posted on 07/07/2012 8:12:22 AM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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To: Iron Munro

Excellent!


27 posted on 07/07/2012 8:15:23 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Talisker

When you look up the word “convoluted” in Websters there is a picture of the author. All of his windy tortured logic will fall by the wayside when there is a fifth liberal judge on the SC and he discovers that precedent and constitutional principles take a back seat to enacting liberal Dem legislative policies.


28 posted on 07/07/2012 8:15:25 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: Talisker

Interesting analysis...and I read the entire thing. Are you connected to the legal profession in any way?

You make a good case.


29 posted on 07/07/2012 8:17:41 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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30 posted on 07/07/2012 8:17:41 AM PDT by Republican Extremist
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To: Innovative
It’s so full of holes and BS it’s not even funny...

I'm sure your time is valuable, but how 'bout pointing out just one hole for us...

31 posted on 07/07/2012 8:22:18 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Talisker

If it’s a tax under the tax code, then the HHS can’t issue waivers. Taxes-even penalties must be equally applied unless there is an exemption in the tax law.

We’ll see how long ObamaCare last once someone wakes up to that.


32 posted on 07/07/2012 8:24:10 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

If it’s a tax under the tax code, then the HHS can’t issue waivers. Taxes-even penalties must be equally applied unless there is an exemption in the tax law.

______________________________

Gets more interesting...huh?


33 posted on 07/07/2012 8:25:42 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Talisker

I’m not a lawyer by any stretch so I have to read this 2-3 times. It raises some interesting point that I will at least contemplate before writing this off as BS.


34 posted on 07/07/2012 8:26:47 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: Talisker

Ping.


35 posted on 07/07/2012 8:27:28 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: Honcho
I'm trying to digest this whole thing and I don't think I tyotally agree with you.

I think many of us DO know history, but not all of it.

I know, for me .. I have a fair amount of knowledge (or awareness) of the colonial times and events, and I have a fair amount of knowledge of the relative modern times and events.

The in-between is sort'a cloudy.Thus;

I think we are all more prone to sumerize our thoughts based on the very earliest and the very latest 'news' ...

And I'm not sure I'm very good at it.

This article states ... no one read the thing, and backs up Roberts summation according to having read and applied what is in zero-care.

Admittedly, I'm going to re-read enough to be sure what I just said is factual, but on the surface, I think I am guilty of jumping on the Roberts screwed us wagon too quickly.

These are times for cool heads

36 posted on 07/07/2012 8:28:26 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Talisker

This convoluted legal reasoning has been used by tax protestors numerous times before; and the protestors have always failed.

“I don’t owe income taxes because income taxes only apply to [ insert name of some obscure group that is mentioned somewhere in the Internal Revenue Code ].”

OK, great theory. Try explaining that to a fat-cat federal judge who has a cushy job for life with Cadillac benefits and gold-plated pension, paid for by YOUR taxes. Lotsa luck.


37 posted on 07/07/2012 8:28:41 AM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: Talisker

Even though you get nothing but crap for doing so, thanks for posting. We will not know the ultimate impact of the Roberts ruling for years to come, but the previously undetected limits to the Commerce Clause may end up having the most lasting impact.


38 posted on 07/07/2012 8:30:08 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Talisker
While I share the opinions of Scalia, Thomas, et al, I do believe that Roberts will be vindicated through all of this. Even if the RINOs take control of the Senate and subsequently fail to overturn ObamaTax, it can still be challenged as an unconstitutional tax. The important thing at this point is that the commerce clause was crucially weakened by a 7-2 vote, and this would not have happened without Roberts.

Sure, it would have been nice to have the Supreme Court do the heavy lifting for us, but isn't that what liberals do? Let's get out there and retake control of our government, and vote this monstrosity out of existence. It's what our founding fathers would have wanted.

39 posted on 07/07/2012 8:33:17 AM PDT by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: gmartinz

Roberts is not on the court to bail us out.

He is there to decide the Constitutionality of the law, and he didn’t do it.

It doesn’t take a lot of words and explanations. It’s simple.

He did not do his job.
His reasons don’t really matter, He should resign if he cannot do his job.


40 posted on 07/07/2012 8:36:58 AM PDT by Venturer
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