..no one in Government can make a decision, ONLY the libtard media can
Well, one way of looking at is that they are moving the Overton window so as they do other openly unconstitutional things, no one will be surprised.
It is all spin to take your attention away from the economy, period!
Smoke and mirrors.
it all depends on what the definition of is is.
I agree completely. Romney’s safe approach so far won’t allow him to point such things out. I sure hope his troupe change their tune into a more, Levin-style attack and campaign. Stark differences and loud pitches in one’s voice - err, a little emotion would be nice.
The others are there on behalf of Obama’s campaign throwing smoke screen, since a tax obviously will hurt Obama’s chance.
Another thing is they obviously also ‘hope’ the longer we talk about Roberts, the less we will pay attention to his other performance (UN gun control, Sea Treaty, miserable handling of ME, etc) let alone consistently bad economy.
How does Congress nullify it without a vote?
If the intent of the law was not a tax...and the court said it is only valid as a tax...then the law is unconstitutional under any other interpretation. As Carney called it a "tax fallacy," then the law cannot stand according to the Court. Right?
The whole damn thing is unconstitutional. However, Roberts, Kagan et al said otherwise.
Why is everyone going along with the idea that the law is OK no matter what it is called when the ruling made it very clear it is OK only as a tax?
I'm not sure that everyone is going along, but so what. Roberts & company said it was OK, so it is now established in case law.
Doesn't this give Congress the go-ahead to nullify it even without a vote?
Not sure I get what you're asking.
While seldom done, I agree that Congress can end a tax.
And if it’s a Penalty, Congress again can nullify a penalty.
Just getting it thru the Senate will be the problem. I doubt GOP will win Senate.
Why yuh gotta be a hate-uh? /s
Oh brother!
Maybe they can nullify the law of gravity (without a vote) while they are at it too.
.....then nullify Obama’s 2008 election without a vote.
You think congress has a magic genie?
-By Charlie Reese
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.
Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?
Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?
You and I don’t propose a federal budget. The President does.
You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.
You and I don’t write the tax code, Congress does.
You and I don’t set fiscal policy, Congress does.
You and I don’t control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.
One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million
are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.
I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its
Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.
I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator,
a congressman, or a President to do one cotton-picking thing. I don’t care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has
the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator’s responsibility to determine how he votes.
Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con
regardless of party.
What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker,
who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The President can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.
The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving
appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? John Boehner. He is the leader of the majority party. He and fellow House members,
not the President, can approve any budget they want. If the President vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.
It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted — by present facts — of incompetence
and irresponsibility. I can’t think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth
that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.
If the tax code is unfair, it’s because they want it unfair.
If the budget is in the red, it’s because they want it in the red.
If the Army & Marines are in Iraq and Afghanistan it’s because they want them in Iraq and Afghanistan ...
If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it’s because they want it that way.
There are no insoluble government problems.
Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice
they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you
into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like “the economy,” “inflation,” or “politics” that prevent them from doing what they take
an oath to do.
Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.
They, and they alone, have the power.
They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.
Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees...
We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!
What you are missing is that bills do not become unconstitutional because of what people in the administration call them. The Supreme Court ruled (incorrectly) that Congress passed Obamacare constitutionally, based on Congress’s taxation power. The fact that people are (for political purposes) now calling it something other than a tax does not mean that the bill is now magically overturned.
What you’re missing is that the RINOs have a new political toy to play with for the next umpteen years, while they dally and tinker with this unconstitutional monstrosity. Within a year or two, no one will even pretend to be talking about repeal, it will simply be “Vote for us, WE can do government intrusion the RIGHT way!”
You’re asking the wrong guy here ShadowAce. I’ve been asking some of my friends the same thing; they don’t know, and I still don’t know.
Let me spell this out for you, the process to repeal it is identical to the one used to pass it:
1) Repeal it in the House
2) Repeal it in the Senate, full repeal 60 votes, partial repeal 50 votes +VP
3) get the POTUS to sign the common bill
That is how it was passed, that is how it is repealed.
DUHH!
If the Admin. want to call it a mandate/penalty, they should be asked why they support an Unconstitutional law.
The law was intended to be a tax all along, it never would have passed as one, so they called it a mandate to more or less get it through Congress. Knowing they already had 4 votes on SCOTUS to support it, no matter what it was called; all they needed was to convince 1 of the other 5 to go along. In rode Benedict Roberts(apologies to Benedict Arnold) to save the day.
So now the Admin. is trying to have it both ways. They're calling it a penalty now, so they don't have to defend passing the largest tax increase in the history of the world 4 months before the election. They hope if they say it enough, they'll convince enough people that it is so. They're counting on the stupidity of the American electorate.
When is a tax not a tax, when it is a penalty.
“Why is everyone going along with the idea that the law is OK no matter what it is called when the ruling made it very clear it is OK only as a tax?”
Because they don’t have the stomach for a fight with their masters.