Posted on 07/04/2012 1:16:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
You read it? I tried and couldn't.
Quoting the Bible is “anti-Catholic vitriol” according to lots of catholics here.
I’m not going to to your work for you!
If you want it, go get it. This thread is ripe with examples!
For some folks on here, lying about Catholic belief and practice is a sick, weird, obsessed hobby.
I advise you not to protest too much.
I know I didn’t make a big point of this, but it’s worthwhile to say. The church I go to — belongs to the “Southern Baptist Convention” and yes, I go there, but I don’t consider myself to be anything other than just a Christian who believes what the Bible says, in being the very word of God, Himself.
The way I look at it, that doesn’t make me a “Southern Baptist” just because I go there (although I don’t have a big problem with them).
AND ... the “naming conventions” ... like dispensational or pre-millennial or pre-tribulational are just that - “naming conventions” and not something to adhere to directly - in and of themselves. They’re merely a “shorthand designation” for what the Bible says.
It’s a way of categorizing things and labeling them so you don’t have to read out loud a whole series of Scriptures to then say — “that’s what I believe”. If you do that - you might as well read the whole Bible out loud - FIRST - and then say - “That’s what I believe and what I am.” ... :-). However, that would take several months to read out loud, and most people would not stick around to find out ... LOL ... so ... you just use these “short-hand desginations” for conversational purposes.
SO ... these are just “naming conventions” [the “dispensational” designation, the “pre-millennial” designation and the “pre-tribulational” designation]. They are not - in and of themselves - something to be “adhered” to. They are “explanations” in short-hand form of what an entire study of that subject area in the Bible, from many scripture passages - would say on its own - directly from the Bible.
At one time, it was sufficient to say, simply, “I am a Christian.” But, then it progressively became more complicated, as others started to ignore what the Bible said about various subjects it addresses - and people still called themselves “Christian” - when they were actually departing from the faith - and not really “upholding” it.
SO ... it began to be said that “I am a Christian” - with a proviso added - whatever was needed for that day and age to distinguish from the false teachers and the false Christians.
At this point in time - for “this day and age” - if one adds the provisos of - “dispensational” (which usually covers pre-mil and pre-trib), plus a reference to the “Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy” - then they can “cover all their bases” and be clear on the true Christian message - which comes from the Bible.
Thus there’s several things here. One is that you’re not a Christian based on any church you go to. It has nothing to do with any church you go to. No church membership counts for ANYTHING in being a Christian. Thus, that’s one reason why I don’t emphasize church membership - unless someone really wants to know - then I tell them.
Then it has to do with “identifying oneself” in what a Christian really is - having to do with the Gospel according to the Scriptures - in which the Scriptures are the only basis and authority for the Christian (that’s the “Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy” designation) and then it has to do with clearing up the position of what the Bible teaches - by specifying the “short-hand notation or “designation” of categories - called “pre-millennial”, “pre-tribulational” and “dispensational”.
Thus, none of this supplants or replaces the Bible but is simply a “short-hand notation” to let people know what the Bible says - without reading it out loud to them for several months, continuously ... :-)
“Yes, he was a true defender of the faith - and that would be the faith as delivered from the word of God. He was against cults and cult groups - but faithful to what the Word of God said.
SO ... I think that many of those who were (are) against him, would actually be against others, too - who also defended the faith, as spoken from the Word of God, in the Holy Scriptures. But, that’s not surprising - as we’re told that the “world” (for the most part) will not listen to or adhere to the Word of God, preferring to take other “men” as their authority.”
Why not start a thread on the Religion Forum? Invite Quix who was one of the nastiest posters on that forum ever.
And he does need prayers. Anyone that filled with hate needs all the prayers they can get.
I did not get to attend any of those seminars, but I think it would not be wrong to suggest that their efforts were a big reason why today the pro-life side is in the majority. I DID read some of their literature and it was spot on in cornering those who wanted everyone to ignore the reality of human life in its early stages.
Well, this is the thread “about” Quix ... and since he’s not on Free Republic any more - it wouldn’t do any good to invite him.
As far as being a nasty poster ... well ... Jesus was consider nasty to some that he talked to - also. He said ...
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.”
I would be willing to bet that Jesus would be BANNED from Free Republic, if he said this type of thing online to some group of religious people here. And in this instance, Jesus was talking directly to “people” and not merely describing some “institutional teaching” or “doctrine”.
In addition to that ... I would be willing to bet that someone (today) would call the police on Jesus, and have them charge him with the destruction of property and assault on people, too!
When He went into the Temple and overturned and scattered goods and took a whip of cords and drove people out of the area - that was destruction of property and assault (in today’s terms). So, if Jesus were here today - and he were to do that - the police would be called and he would be getting some “charges” laid against him from the D.A.’s office ... :-)
The bottom line is that Jesus and the Bible doesn’t go by our society’s rules and ways of conduct with each other - and Jesus and the Bible doesn’t even go by our laws and rules and regulations. Jesus goes by His Father’s laws - which will - when He comes again - go completely against the actual “laws of the land” as we have voted into being - even here in the good ole USA!
Thank you very much.
I finally fixed the links to
Pope John Paul II’s words set
to stirring orchestration, so
they’re working now.
That’s so true ... as I’ve seen it myself.
Speaking just the Bible alone is absolutely dangerous to some people. They can’t have that - as it is simply God’s word, alone, and authoritative and doesn’t take “human side” or adhere to what one politician says over another, or support any human institutional organization that is formed under “government contract” to be a “church”.
The “church” in the Bible is simply the composite whole of the ones who adhere to His Word in terms of what He says, in the Gospel about Salvation. Those who do so - they are “the church” - the “living church” and not some man-made building or any man-made organization.
Believers may gather there (in some building), but that building is not really “the church” and no organization on this earth is “the church”. Our only leader is Jesus Christ Himself — and no pastor or priest or rabbi is - but just Jesus and His Word.
I started gathering Francis Schaeffer’s films after that seminar and reading more of his books. But, then again, I had already been reading his books before those seminars, which is the reason why I knew I had to go.
Afterwards, over the next few years, I gathered up videos that he had made and bought several of his long series of films direct from his place in San Jose (where his son and a partner in the business of making those films were). I went down there to make sure I could get all of them that I wanted and then I lent them out to churches and others who were interested in them.
After those seminars, I remember when the video the Silent Scream came out and I got one of the first copies available and it was in the news that it was coming out. Well, since I had been lending out Francis Schaeffer’s videos and films - I knew I had to get that Silent Scream, too. I connected with a Catholic agency of some sort that dealt with opposing abortion and told them that I had it available. They told the local news station in Portland, Oregon that I had it and then the news station called me to verify and I told them yes - so they were going to feature on a noon news segment where people could go to get this video. I was one of about three or four listed.
My phone rang off the hook immediately when that news station aired that segment and some people were mad (and cussing me out) and others were interested and wanted to see it.
SO ... Francis Schaeffer was definitely instrumental for me - but I was already interested in Francis Schaeffer before the abortion issue came up for me, so it was a natural progression for me.
That’s an excuse that no one is going to be able to use before God, if they refuse to accept the Salvation He has provided exclusively through His Son, Jesus, the Messiah of Israel.
SO ... it really doesn’t matter if someone stands up and says, “Quix drove me away!”. That’s simply not going to work. And it’s a really poor excuse anyway. Since when did whatever someone feels slighted or insulted by (from someone else towards them) - determine the “reality of life” around them.
It would be like saying to a cop ... “I ran the red light because I was mad at how I was treated by ‘so-and-so’ ... “ The cop would say, “Tell it to the Judge! Here’s your ticket!” ... LOL ...
Yes, Jesus is my Savior and I am thankful every single day that God led me to the Catholic Church where I was baptized and washed free from my sins and into God’s grace and love at Easter Vigil 2008.
As far as I am concerned Quix was not a loving Christian example. God is love. Making fun of or disparaging other beliefs is not loving and is not the way to help people know the love of Christ.
Amen!
Or "Conspiracy a go go".
THX 1138 march continues
He’s on his rails OK, but those rails don’t go in FR’s direction. He’s not the first guy to try to plot a side course here, and he definitely will not be the last.
I 100% agree with you! I feel the same way and when asked what "religion" I am, I answer "Christian". What happened to you on this thread when you were queried about what your denomination or whatever religion you followed is a typical question that mostly comes from one "specific" religion represented by those who are acting the most hostile to your comments here. I won't name it, but I think you probably know what I am talking about. It is an ongoing tactic whose sole purpose is to "pigeonhole" and label people. If you say you are a Presbyterian, for example, you will soon be met with a truckload of all the things wrong with the Presbyterian church and all the scandals are trumpeted because you may have at one point or another commented about that "specific" religion's like problem.
No matter how open we are to talk about our beliefs on ANY topic of Christianity, the revelation of our church's "label" will be used to parse whatever we may have to say. This is the main reason why - though some of us have been hounded and harassed to identify said label - we refuse to do so. This is NOT because of shame or any other reason other than we do not identify as Baptist or Presbyterian or Lutheran or Methodist, etc. primarily simply because we see ourselves as Christians who worship and fellowship with "...." Church. Usually, not jumping to every question about denominations is looked at by them, or at least intimated, as being "ashamed" of our denomination. Which is NOT the case at all and is simply because we want to avoid being lumped into a pot with a label on the outside that can then be used to paint everyone with the same brush. Refusal to identify is met with derision, usually, and often met by accusations of the silliest nature all in the quest to badger you into answering.
They seem to not understand that we would rather be considered as Bible-believing Christians first, who are capable of discussing doctrines of our Christian faith free from canned statements of faith or creeds that may or may not fully define our exact views. Those of the "specific" faith claim that every one of them all believes the same things, yet we know that even then there are nuances and various "interpretations" of dogmas that don't always match with everyone else. And that the professed and boasted UNITY isn't all that unified.
Just be aware that, because you have identified the name on the sign outside your chosen assembly place, you can expect some people will use it against you in whatever way they can. They are simply incapable of separating the believer from his chosen place of worship and do not, or will not, engage on discussions of doctrines as individuals. I really do think some cannot imagine anyone is able to know not only what they believe but WHY they believe it. They only know they believe what they are TOLD to believe and they have no freedom to examine other sides. It makes it difficult, sometimes, to dialog on the Religion Forum because disagreement with "specific" church's doctrines is seen as personal insults - as has already been evidenced on this thread. Not all are like this, of course, there ARE some who can engage respectfully and agree to disagree when it comes to it.
The best love that someone can display to another person - in terms of the Gospel per the Scriptures - is the kind that slaps down any and all false doctrines and false teachings and upholds the Word of God as the final authority.
The best love that Jesus displayed (in this same sense) is the love that was displayed by his statement ...
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.”
And also what was displayed by Jesus when He aggressively and forcefully overturned tables and whipped those certain people out of that area of the Temple where they were. As I said earlier about this - in today’s multi-cultural society - that would get Jesus arrested for assault and destruction of property - but that does show how Jesus acted and thought about these kinds of things.
Also, another aspect to this - is what Jesus said in regards to what He was bringing to the world. He said he was not bringing peace and tranquility - but He was bringing DIVISION ... one person against another - because the true Gospel, as given by the Word of God - brings about DIVISION and not harmony. Jesus made this clear by what He said here ...
34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 “For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; 36 and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household.”
— Matthew 10:34-36
51 “Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52 for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two, and two against three...”
— Luke 12:51,52
The Gospel of Salvation brings DIVISION in the world - and not Peace! Peace will only come AFTER Jesus returns and when He sets up his earthly kingdom - where we are right now.
All you have to do is look at the prophets from the Old Testament and how they cried out about the word of God and they did not spare anyone’s feelings. The spoke just like Jesus spoke above and they created DIVISION just like Jesus said He was creating by His coming.
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