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To: pinochet
The problem here is obvious:

Great power is invested in the Commander in Chief, as it should be.

However? Voters made a terrible choice in giving Obama those powers.

If you take up arms against the United States, the fact that you are a “Citizen” really does not matter a hill of beans. “Foreign and Domestic” means just that. We do not have to Mirandize or arrest or grant due process to enemy combatants. We just don't.

The problem is that Obama and Holder and Napolitano are very likely to mislabel protesters and those exercising their rights against the government as “enemy combatants”.

Again, however, if a group of people are actively plotting armed rebellion, or are actively engaged in terrorism or sabotage or any form of violent uprising against the United States, our government is NOT required at all to give that person or that group ANY “due process”.

What is particularly galling is that Obama and Holder DID want to give “due process” to foreign terrorists!

The hypocrisy and idiocy are amazing.

3 posted on 07/04/2012 9:33:37 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

>>>If you take up arms against the United States, the fact that you are a “Citizen” really does not matter a hill of beans

We have to be very careful and do a cost/benefit analysis. Do the benefits that Americans get, from giving the government the right to kill citizens without due process, outweigh the costs? Do you trust politicians with the power to make life and death decisions, where American citizens are concerned? Are we going to see collateral damage take place in America, as is happening overseas? If your next door neighbor is a suspected domestic terrorist, could the government launch a predator drone attack on his home, and harm you in the process.

We need to remember that the Nazi terrorists who tried to sabotage American port facilities in World War Two, received a secret trial, before they were executed. Americans accused of terrorism today, have fewer rights than Nazi terrorists had in the 1940s.


4 posted on 07/04/2012 9:46:15 AM PDT by pinochet
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To: Kansas58
'We do not have to Mirandize or arrest or grant due process to enemy combatants. We just don't.'

Haha. Of course you don't when a President can say your a 'enemy combatant'. Thus removing the problem!

We do not have a king, this love of the unitarian executive has got to end.

The vast powers of the military and authority of the armed forces are bestowed to Congress, not the President. He may be the CIC, but he must follow the rules and orders set forth from Congress.

6 posted on 07/04/2012 9:50:48 AM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Kansas58
If you take up arms against the United States, the fact that you are a “Citizen” really does not matter a hill of beans. “Foreign and Domestic” means just that.

Problem here. What do you call a government that was/is destroying the Rule of Established Law? Are those officials traitors? I cannot see armed rebellion, but I can see voting rebellion against the destruction of the Constitutional form of government we had. Does that mean that "opposing" the elected officials makes us an enemy of the nation? I am often told on the web that I should respect the POTUS. My response is that respect is earned not mandated. He has "earned" my total contempt. And his minions know it.

FUBO!

8 posted on 07/04/2012 10:05:23 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Kansas58
“If you take up arms against the United States, the fact that you are a “Citizen” really does not matter a hill of beans.”

Did David Koresh “take up arms against the United States?”
Did Randy Weaver “take up arms against the United States?”
Emphatically NO! The government decided they must die. Koresh and 80 followers did. Vicki and Sammy Weaver died. Only Randy Weaver survived. If he had not, we would all have believed the lies the government told.
In the Branch Davidians massacre, the story got out despite the media.
Not much difference from the official stories told about some battles in the 19th century Indian Wars.

13 posted on 07/04/2012 11:00:54 AM PDT by Tupelo
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To: Kansas58
Great power is invested in the Commander in Chief, as it should be.

If we were a kingdom, maybe, but we are not. The mistake of giving too much power to the President has nothing to do with Obama being president. It would be too much even for a reincarnation of President Jefferson.

We learned that a long time ago with the Alien and Sedition Act, but we forgot.

The problem is that Obama and Holder and Napolitano are very likely to mislabel protesters and those exercising their rights against the government as “enemy combatants”.

Too late, it's already happened. And it wasn't a simple 'mislabel'ing, it was intentional. It was the intention from the beginning. Dissent is no longer patriotic.

14 posted on 07/04/2012 11:04:48 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: Kansas58
Again, however, if a group of people are actively plotting armed rebellion, or are actively engaged in terrorism or sabotage or any form of violent uprising against the United States, our government is NOT required at all to give that person or that group ANY “due process”.

Guess they haven't noticed Calypso Louie. I remember H. Rap Brown preaching revolution on street corners holding a rifle, he wasn’t arrested as I recall.

23 posted on 07/04/2012 7:13:19 PM PDT by itsahoot (The Political Elites are the modern Royals, and the king shall have his due.)
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