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To: Forty-Niner; Travis McGee
Growing up in Southern California, I had many Hispanic friends whose family ties in California predated my own pre-1849 American pioneer/scout ties.

The "Hispanic" population of California, that is Spaniards and Mexicans of largely European descent was miniscule in the 19th C. In fact, the major cities of modern California were dusty villages with a few HUNDRED residents in 1850. The Leftists would like you to forget that part, as apparently you have.

And yes, those "Mayflower Mexicans" became Republicans when the US took over California! Sorry, but this is a racial matter. The "new" California Mexicans are not of European descent, they are overwhemligly of mixed race with Indian and other strains predominating, and one spur to illegal immigration is that in Mexico they are often treated as racial inferiors. OTOH, in the US they are the beneficiaries of lavish Affirmative Action, much to the dismay of our home-grown African-American "minority," whom they have displaced (among others) in political and especially economic terms. (CC CBC)

Yes, talking about "race" plays into Leftist hands. But we needn't be squeamish about it, as were the millions of people who voted for a Marxist of dubious provenance merely because he was a Mulatto. In fact, because he is a Mulatto of dubious antecedents, we are even forbidden to criticize his disastrous policies.

You know, we'll just have to bite the bullet and risk the racist label in order to set things aright ... if indeed that is still possible.

58 posted on 07/05/2012 7:33:19 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and FU Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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To: Kenny Bunk; Travis McGee

“Yes, talking about “race” plays into Leftist hands. But we needn’t be squeamish about it,...”

No need to typecast yourself from the get go as TM did. While I understand and share his frustration, I believe that better solutions exist than throwing around racial stinkbombs. Starting out that way only closes off the ears that need to be listening to our clarion call of defending our borders from the destructive forces that violate them.

Keep in mind that illegals include persons from all racial groups. A visit to the old “Mucky Duck” Pub in Santa Monica would find you surrounded by illegal immigrants from the British Isles, as would a visit to the Lock Ness Monster Pub in Old Town Pasadena. In fact a pug crawl anywhere in the greater Los Angeles are with reveal a surprizing number of illegal British immigrants. PS...A British Socialist is no better than a Mexican one in terms of our country’s future.

To separate out one group of illegals from another, primarily on racial terms is unwise. The object here is controlling the border from any who wish to violate it for their personal reasons no matter what their race or origin. We are either a nation of laws, or we are nothing more than a mob.

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” as were the millions of people who voted for a Marxist of dubious provenance merely because he was a Mulatto. In fact, because he is a Mulatto of dubious antecedents, we are even forbidden to criticize his disastrous policies.”

Off topic??? Yes, I understand the apparent American need to be PC on issues of race even to the extent of losing all perspective and judgement....I am not one of those, even as I recognize that the attitude exists.

Athough there are those that claim Obama is not legally even a citizen for various reasons, the fact remains, citizen or not, he is Constitutionally ineligible and at the same time unsuited to hold the office of POTUS given his self-published life story and his pro-offered birth certificate. (The only qualification for President that I am aware of is garnering the requisite votes necessary to win the election, and getting the congress to approve.)

Even so, we have to recognize he has moved his Marxist agenda along despite his meager skills, to our mutual horror. Unsuited/inexperianced or not, it’s much easier to destroy than it is to build. His handling of the Illegal immigration issue is just one case in point.

I am reminded that no President since Eisenhower, who deported them all, has a very good record on controlling immigration. Congress is just as bad or worse...Ronald Reagan’s approval of Teddy Kenedy’s Open border, amnesty, immigration reforms is at the crux of our current situation. Things have not improved since that day.

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Much of what you say in your post is true. Mexico is, as a matter of internal policy, shedding its underclass into the United States in order to stabilize its own economy and rise above 3rd world status. That is unique among nations, who are more likely to be losing their “brain Trust” to American industry. (though that seems to be becoming less common as the US devolves.)

Our relations with Mexico have historically been strained, to say the least. The current flap over Fast and Furious, a program that is an assualt on the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution, among other things, is typical of that relationship. I wonder at the lack of indignation on the part of the Mexican Government. Something is afoot. I am not a happy camper on many levels.

The only thing I can say for sure, is that we as a nation MUST, first and foremost, begin to gain, and then maintain, control of our borders. There have been calls for that for as long as I can remember. Congressional inaction has always been a major stumbling block, mostly from the left side of the aisle, but not exclusively. With the disasterious Obama Presidency, and it’s looming backlash via the 2012 elections, I am hoping we can change the makeup of the Congress enough to get action on this and other pressing issues.

Coming full circle, using racial language/images will not get the representatives we need elected, much less get those who do get elected, to open up their ears and listen. Using racial language only relegates us to background noise not worth listening to. We, if we are to accomplish anything, need to control the language and discussion. Charged language doesn’t fit the bill, and you know it as well as I.

A larger question looms....have we reached the tipping point as a nation????? That one really scares me.


61 posted on 07/05/2012 11:13:13 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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