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To: Nateman
The logic of this article seems to be somewhat in denial of what actually happened in this SCOTUS decision today. As I have mentioned on another thread, Roberts has just said that there are essentially no serious limits on federal power, and that the individual mandate--which is clearly a penalty and not a tax--is a tax. Roberts also said that the government could tax things which don't even relate to federal enumerated powers. The Congress no longer needs the Commerce Clause but can now "regulate" (and in this case that means penalize) activity over which it has no authority to directly regulate. Roberts argued this is allowed under the Taxation clause in Art I Sec 8. Congress and the President can penalize any behavior and have the Court construe it as a tax.

Besides, from a pragmatic point of view, does it matter whether the court uses the Commerce Clause or the taxation clause to justify its expansion of power beyond the Constitution's enumerated powers? The result is the same either way, increasingly unrestricted authority is centralized in the federal government, and ultimately in the president. At this rate, the Taxation Clause will be the new Commerce Clause, and using that clause the government won't even need to prove that their legislation substantially affects interstate commerce...only that the government's power to penalize--I mean tax--is legal. (This will probably not be too hard to do with the SCOTUS redefinition of a penalty into a tax.)

37 posted on 06/28/2012 12:43:56 PM PDT by old republic
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To: old republic
Congress and the President can penalize any behavior and have the Court construe it as a tax.

You bring up an interesting point. Congess would be within its rights to levy a $10,000 tax on any abortion. It wouldn't be a fine, it would be a tax.

44 posted on 06/28/2012 12:49:56 PM PDT by Publius (Leadershiup starts with getting off the couch.)
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To: old republic
At this rate, the Taxation Clause will be the new Commerce Clause, and using that clause the government won't even need to prove that their legislation substantially affects interstate commerce...only that the government's power to penalize--I mean tax--is legal.

Bottom line, and well said.

One weapon (Commerce Clause) has simply been upgraded for another MORE LETHAL weapon (Taxation).

60 posted on 06/28/2012 1:02:18 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: old republic

Well said! Thanks for your voice of reason.


70 posted on 06/28/2012 1:18:11 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: old republic

What I learned today is, just like you said, that Congress can pass any law under any guise and the Supreme Court will allow it and call it a tax for them.

So, what is the point of judicial review if the only review by the Supreme Court is the admonition to throw the bums out ?

Fix it yourself. We are just being paid to sit here in our black robes.


93 posted on 06/28/2012 2:49:41 PM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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