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To: unlearner
What subset of Scripture to you accept? The entire Old Testament or only those portions that met with the approval of the Pharisees and Luther? The entire New Testament or only those portions Luther didn't condemn?

If you accept the same Scriptures Christ and the Apostles Accepted plus the entire New Testament just read through those books that Luther threw in the trash and then get back to me. If not, of course, then make up whatever you like and agree with whatever you find convenient at the moment.

52 posted on 06/27/2012 1:31:13 AM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: Rashputin

“What subset of Scripture to you accept?”

I accept all of scripture and not what men have added to it and claimed to be from God. And don’t be disingenuous. It is pretty obvious from my comments I accept the same texts most protestants accept as divinely inspired.

“If you accept the same Scriptures Christ and the Apostles Accepted plus the entire New Testament just read through those books that Luther threw in the trash and then get back to me.”

Which texts did Jesus and the Apostles quote authoritatively from? I will accept those. I don’t remember any time when Jesus rebuked the Devil and said it is written and then quoted from the apocrypha.

Luke 24:25-27 - Then He said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?” And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

While 6 out of 7 times the New Testament quotes the LXX, it does not mean all of LXX is canon. The LXX was made up of collections of “books” with four major divisions: The Law, The Prophets, and The Writings or Psalms, and then the non-canonical portion.

The above passage combines the Prophets and Psalms into a general category of All of the Prophets. Sometimes Jesus simply referred to the Old Testament scriptures as The Law or The Law and The Prophets. My assertion here is supported by Jesus calling a quote from the book of Psalms as being from the Law:

John 10:34 - Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’?” (Quoting from Psalm 82:6.)

Note two other points from my earlier passage reference in Luke 24:

Luke 24:44 - Jesus said: “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

Again He summarizes the general categories of the LXX that ARE canon, i.e. scripture. There are 7 essential elements to the true Gospel proclaimed in the New Testament. I mentioned one earlier being that there were many eye witnesses of His resurrection. This is also one of the tests of apostolic authority. Another essential element of the Gospel is that His work of redemption was fulfillment of scripture which prophesied of what He would accomplish.

None of the apocryphal books are cited. None offer any prophecies which Christ fulfilled. Here, in Luke 24, we read that He explained from ALL scripture what was foretold. That is, He explained from the Law, Prophets and Writings the work of redemption He had completed.

All scripture at this point did not include the New Testament since it had not been written yet. All scripture at this point was the Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms (i.e. poetic writings).

Jesus and the apostles quoted from every canonical book. Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon are considered “books” today but were part of larger collections during this time. The apocryphal writings (after 400 b.c. I think) were not part of these collections and were significantly never quoted as scripture in the New Testament writings.

In Matthew 23:55 Jesus refers to the “the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah” affirming the first book of the Hebrew scripture as Genesis, and the last book as II Chronicles (during the time of Malachi).

So, the short answer to your question is that I accept as scripture what Jesus called all scripture: the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms (including all of the Old Testament poetry).

It is clear that the LXX was popularly quoted from in the New Testament. It is important to note what arguments are made when these passages are cited or even alluded to. Because often the meaning gives credibility to one source over others. Specifically Christ alluded to many Old Testament passages which can be compared between Septuagint, Masoretic and Aramaic sources. A diligent study reveals that none are exclusively supported while the others being rejected. Rather, some teachings of Christ allude to LXX, some Masoretic Hebrew, and some to Aramaic versions of the texts. Christ was the author of the original Old Testament passages (before He entered the world as a man). He obviously knew which writings were scripture and which were not. He knew the true meaning and intent of every passage. He also made it simple to see which parts of the LXX are scripture if you can receive it.


56 posted on 06/29/2012 1:06:17 AM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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