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To: CottonBall
Sounds like you are also advocating breaking our laws because your 'Natural Law' comes first, before any sovereign nation's law.

I am questioning the validity of laws that violate Natural Laws and Natural Rights. But I am only espousing the principals of The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America.

. . . to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them

. . . deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

(The majority is not granted the authority to make unjust laws, i.e. laws that violate Natural Rights.)

Rubio, in his statements, shows that he understands both sides: our civil law MUST have as its foundation the Natural Law. He has the courage to point out the problems that occur when this isn't the case, and he is trying to find a legal solution to rectify the problem.

"I mean, if you do something that somehow encourages illegal immigration in the future, it's counterproductive. On the other hand, it feels weird to deport a valedictorian who has been here since they were four years old and have done well in school. So, trying to find the balance there, that is important," Rubio told Sean Hannity Monday night. "What the President did by ignoring the Constitution, ignoring the Congress, makes it harder to find that balance, not to mention that it's offensive to the constitutional principles of our republic.

"You know, on the one hand, we do have a significant illegal immigration problem. It has to be confronted. It has to be solved. We cannot be the only country in the world that does not enforce its immigration laws. On the other hand, we have some very compelling human stories like the cases of these young people who have been here their whole life, who've grown up here, brought here at a young age, through no fault of their own, and it touches your heart to hear these stories. And trying to find a reasonable balance that honors both our legacy as a nation of immigrants and also with the legacy as a nation of laws is not easy.""

As Hadley Arkes writes here:

http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.1875/article_detail.asp

Consider for example that proposition the Scottish philosopher Thomas Reid regarded as one of the truly "first principles" we draw from the logic of moral judgment itself, a principle I've restated in this way: that we do not hold people blameworthy or responsible for acts they were powerless to affect. That principle may cover a wide variety of things where people really had no causal powers over their condition or their acts and should not be held culpable. We may argue in different cases as to how powerless or incapable people actually were, but no one doubts the validity of the principle—

183 posted on 06/19/2012 10:32:47 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: ALPAPilot
. . . to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them

Then we should open the floodgates and let in ALL parents who wish to feed their children. Is it really fair to only let in those that are close enough to sneak in here illegally? May as well let 'em all in. Because you're not talking political asylum or anything like that - those things I could agree with. But seems you are saying we have an obligation to support the world. Because it is 'natural'.

We just need to agree to disagree. I appreciate your civil tone and see we have many points on illegal immigration we do agree on. Just not this ;)
205 posted on 06/20/2012 8:53:44 AM PDT by CottonBall
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To: ALPAPilot
. . . to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them

Then we should open the floodgates and let in ALL parents who wish to feed their children. Is it really fair to only let in those that are close enough to sneak in here illegally? May as well let 'em all in. Because you're not talking political asylum or anything like that - those things I could agree with. But seems you are saying we have an obligation to support the world. Because it is 'natural'. But we are broke, our own people are unemployed, and when our economy collapses these people will be the first to riot and steal.

We just need to agree to disagree. I appreciate your civil tone and see we have many points on illegal immigration we do agree on. Just not this ;)
206 posted on 06/20/2012 8:55:05 AM PDT by CottonBall
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To: ALPAPilot
On the other hand, we have some very compelling human stories like the cases of these young people who have been here their whole life, who've grown up here, brought here at a young age, through no fault of their own, and it touches your heart to hear these stories.

You must not live in a border state if you buy this. I've worked with these kids - in schools where they refuse to study and have no plans for their future except to get on welfare and if they work at all, under the table.

'Though no fault of their own' - the new PC phrase. Means nobody accepts responsibility for criminal behavior. Nobody cares about our laws. Certainly not the delinquents I've seen.

All the bleeding hearts need to live in one of the barrios they've created. I know people who have had their dogs poisoned because they asked these exact same people to turn down their mariachi music. And now you want to give them amnesty?
207 posted on 06/20/2012 9:00:08 AM PDT by CottonBall
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