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To: CottonBall
Obama's new program is a complete violation of his oath.

What Rubio said was: "If my kids went to sleep hungry every night and my country didn't give me an opportunity to feed them, there isn't a law, no matter how restrictive, that would prevent me from coming here."

To accuse him of advocation breaking the law, or to suggest that the statement is evidence that he does not respect the laws of U.S. is quite a stretch.

Unlike Obama's immigration fiat, Rubio has advocated changing the laws to make them (in his opinion) more just. Rubio is pointing out that sometimes civil laws are violated in order to abide by natural laws. Natural law requires that parents care for their children (cf. Blackstorne). Rubio is also pointing out that deporting those who enter the country through no fault of their own violates the Natural Law.

As Hadley Arkes argues in a great article here:

http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.1875/article_detail.asp

Consider for example that proposition the Scottish philosopher Thomas Reid regarded as one of the truly "first principles" we draw from the logic of moral judgment itself, a principle I've restated in this way: that we do not hold people blameworthy or responsible for acts they were powerless to affect. That principle may cover a wide variety of things where people really had no causal powers over their condition or their acts and should not be held culpable. We may argue in different cases as to how powerless or incapable people actually were, but no one doubts the validity of the principle—

Or here where Charles Kesler argues about the validity as law that which passes the Congress.

http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.1684/article_detail.asp

Can you have a bill, a single law, that is almost 3,000 pages long? In the old days, that would have constituted a whole code of laws. When our founders thought about law, they often thought along the lines of John Locke, who described law as a community's "settled standing rules, indifferent, and the same to all parties," emphasizing that to be legitimate a statute must be "received and allowed by common consent to be the standard of right and wrong, and the common measure to decide all controversies" between citizens.

156 posted on 06/19/2012 1:31:52 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: ALPAPilot

Very good post. Thank you.


157 posted on 06/19/2012 1:38:12 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: ALPAPilot
What Rubio said was: "If my kids went to sleep hungry every night and my country didn't give me an opportunity to feed them, there isn't a law, no matter how restrictive, that would prevent me from coming here."

To accuse him of advocation breaking the law, or to suggest that the statement is evidence that he does not respect the laws of U.S. is quite a stretch.

Unlike Obama's immigration fiat, Rubio has advocated changing the laws to make them (in his opinion) more just. Rubio is pointing out that sometimes civil laws are violated in order to abide by natural laws. Natural law requires that parents care for their children (cf. Blackstorne). Rubio is also pointing out that deporting those who enter the country through no fault of their own violates the Natural Law.

No stretch at all. He flat out said that there isn't a law that would stop him. Period. He would break the laws as they are and would change them so others could come pouring in as well - therefore not respecting the existing laws b/c he wants to overturn them. Just like Obama did, but perhaps legally instead, through Congress. Same result.

Sounds like you are also advocating breaking our laws because your 'Natural Law' comes first, before any sovereign nation's law. I disagree with this completely as well. There are millions around the world waiting in line, paying their fees, wanting to get here and would be proud to be an American. Instead, you want to let those that push to the front, that want to use us to take our welfare, food stamps, and take jobs from Americans get ahead of those waiting. That's the not types of immigrants I want here. We already have tons of them in the border states. Uneducated, unwilling to learn English or a trade but more than willing to take our money, and still associating with their homeland after decades here.

BTW, those waiting have children too. But they also have dignity and honor and respect.
171 posted on 06/19/2012 3:49:46 PM PDT by CottonBall
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