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This is yet another wrong-house no-knock raid situation.

Haven't read the opinion yet (I'm listening to the oral argument right now), but for those with some familiarity with the legal issues here, what's curious is that the plaintiff didn't file a Bivens action, but old-fashioned common-law claims for assault & battery (and intentional infliction of emotional distress).

1 posted on 06/18/2012 4:14:55 PM PDT by BCrago66
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Here’s the oral argument before judges Pregerson, Graber and Berzon of the 9th circuit, on May 9th of this year.

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/media/view_subpage.php?pk_id=0000009131


2 posted on 06/18/2012 4:16:19 PM PDT by BCrago66
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While the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals defended the agents' rough treatment of Thomas and Rosalie

Yeah, what a great ruling.
3 posted on 06/18/2012 4:19:38 PM PDT by andyk (Go Juan Pablo!)
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To: BCrago66

Apparently it was OK with the 14 year old...


4 posted on 06/18/2012 4:19:51 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1245 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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These no-knock raids MUST stop.

The cops (D. A.) develop a friendly relationship with a judge, and whenever they want, they get permission to break into someone’s home.

In the confusion the wrong home gets broken into, family pets get killed, family members get killed, and even officers get killed because folks don’t always hear who they are in the commotion.

How many F-ups does it take for it to get through the court’s heads that this is wrong?


5 posted on 06/18/2012 4:22:54 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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After two hours, the agents realized they had the wrong house—the product of a sloppy license plate transcription—and left.
If we lived in a just country, the director of the operation, along with his/her boss, would lose his job and his pension.

It wouldn't be long before "the wrong house" would stop happening.

As it is now, they have nothing to lose, so they don't give a rat's butt, so they'll do it again, often.

6 posted on 06/18/2012 4:23:15 PM PDT by samtheman (If we want Obamugabe out, we must vote him out.)
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Wow, I agree with the 9th District?? Gotta run outside and see if the cows did come home.


7 posted on 06/18/2012 4:24:22 PM PDT by Cyman
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While the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals defended the agents' rough treatment of Thomas and Rosalie...

Innocent until proven guilty? Not in this country. Not any more....

Welcome to Police State USA!

8 posted on 06/18/2012 4:24:27 PM PDT by jeffc (Prayer. It's freedom of speech.)
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Here’s the PDF of the decision itself:
http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2012/06/12/11-55004.pdf


9 posted on 06/18/2012 4:27:30 PM PDT by BCrago66
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There needs to be individual sanction against the agents, not just a damage award judgment. If it is a monetary judgment, it is ultimately paid by the taxpayers so you are effectively suing yourself.
10 posted on 06/18/2012 4:30:15 PM PDT by Truth29
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SWAT busts down wrong door
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY82seEBw5w&list=FLv4QFAmpUbBf1dSGKHmU_qA&index=93&feature=plpp_video


14 posted on 06/18/2012 4:37:02 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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Trayvon Martin was 12 in 2007 and perhaps if the DEA LEO’s would have put a gun to his head and taught him a lesson, he would be alive and Capt. Zimmerman would be patrolling the streets and not in jail.
16 posted on 06/18/2012 4:41:58 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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Oh really?

17 posted on 06/18/2012 4:45:44 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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Explain what a Bivens action is. I have long forgotten that term.

Intentional infliction of Emotional Distress (IIED) will be a win for the Avinas. Maybe even A&B on the children. Possibly not on the parents.

However, police negligence in terms of getting the wrong house could be a winner for the plaintiffs, charging dereliction of duty, gross negligence (because of the use of force/guns inside their house where children were living), reckless endangerment, etc.

I still cannot understand how the police, with all the technology that exists out there for them to confirm license plate tags with the names of those who live at an associated address, can still screw it up so badly.

You are supposed to double and even triple-check your information before planning a raid. Observation of the house is also supposed to be done, as well as to check phone numbers/names to that address, gas/electric bills - names, asking neighbors who lives there, and observing license plates of cars parked there.

This was a monumental fuck up and the police deserve to pay plenty, as in millions. A couple heads of the tactical unit should also roll because of their gross negligence, and the prosecutor who signed the warrant should also be reprimanded because he didn’t check the accuracy of the information given to him for a search warrant. LAWYERS are responsible for the accuracy of documents that they sign unless their is some kind of immunity clause to protect their office.


21 posted on 06/18/2012 4:53:08 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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OK if its Elian Gonzales though?


24 posted on 06/18/2012 4:56:54 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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This is going to cost tax payers again.Or do the culprits have to pay?


29 posted on 06/18/2012 5:18:34 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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“The agents entered the 14-year-old girl’s room first, shouting “Get down on the fucking ground.” The girl, who was lying on her bed, rolled onto the floor, where the agents handcuffed her. Next they went to the 11-year-old’s room. The girl was sleeping. Agents woke her up by shouting “Get down on the fucking ground.” The girl’s eyes shot open, but she was, according to her own testimony, “frozen in fear.” So the agents dragged her onto the floor. While one agent handcuffed her, another held a gun to her head.

Moments later the two daughters were carried into the living room and placed next to their parents on the floor while DEA agents ransacked their home. After 30 minutes, the agents removed the children’s handcuffs. After two hours, the agents realized they had the wrong house—the product of a sloppy license plate transcription—and left.”

This is deplorable! The War on Drugs is becoming a war on innocent Americans.


33 posted on 06/18/2012 5:31:48 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama and Company lied, the American economy died)
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Would Moral Absolutes apply to this?


35 posted on 06/18/2012 5:38:59 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama and Company lied, the American economy died)
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I cannot help but think that anybody who would hold a gun to a child’s head must have something seriously wrong with them. In a sane society they are called monsters.

How do you sleep at night after assaulting a child, unless you are without human feeling? Do you feel good after terrorizing 2 young girls for hours? Has your manhood been vindicated?


39 posted on 06/18/2012 5:42:44 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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Some "mistakes" are clearly crimes in themselves. If these incompetents are not punished, and that family (and their property) made whole, we are in deeper doo-doo than I thought.

And I absolutele detest drugs and drug dealers...

40 posted on 06/18/2012 5:44:35 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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In the interest of the “fairness” that the left holds so dear, every member of the ATF, DEA, and the DHS should be subjected to no-knocks raids at the time of the citizens choosing.


41 posted on 06/18/2012 5:45:36 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Another day. Another small provocation. Another step closer.)
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