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To: muawiyah
the police would be less likely to respond to calls from members of the public if they thought there was a risk of ending up like that pizza delivery lady.

Does this law protect or encourage the murder of cops?

How?

386 posted on 06/14/2012 5:09:45 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
Funniest thing to debate with someone who believes everything happens perfectly every time. People make mistakes ~ they step across a line, or they lean up against something, and next thing you know it's the death penalty.

Here we are leaving it to a homeowner (presumably, maybe a drunk guy at a party) to decide for himself whether or not a cop has entered the home lawfully or unlawfully.

Let me tell you how this comes down ~ DC is pretty strict with the cops. The same criminal class that does all the crime also gets all the politicians elected, so they require the cops to toe the line closely.

A buddy of mine working for the DC police had to do the Kabuki dance they require for a raid ~ he had to HOLD the warrant in his hand and open the door ~ simultaneously ~ without a drawn weapon.

So, he's a big guy and he could usually do that and then the rest of the cops would barrel in on the raid.

One day he did it and a woman kind of behind the door, crouching down, grabbed his pistol and began pulling it out of his holster while he's busy busting down the door, barrelling through and holding the warrent in his other hand.

He reach down to grab his pistol and she pulled the trigger which severely injured his trigger finger putting him out of the DC detective business and into the used car lots as a retiree.

Your taxes at work.

The criminals who run DC government demand this of their cops so that they DO NOT EVER do an unlawful entry ~ their theory is the crooks should freeze in place as they go in with one of their number leading the way holding the warrant in his hand!

The crooks don't do that. They shoot cops.

An alternative scenario has a couple in a domestic dispute and he's gathering up his stuff and moving out.

Let's say he busts up some of her stuff while doing that ~ or maybe hits her ~ something minor. Maybe he just yelled at her for an hour or two. Really minor.

She calls the cops to come to the home because he's out of line.

I"ve noticed most of the critics of starting the story with a domestic dispute (which happened in real life in the case that resulted in this legislation) seem to be totally blind to the rights of women ~ which are, essentially, the same as the rights of men ~ in all these property and domestic disputes.

The situation is when either party calls the cops and the cops arrive they are going to have to investigate the situation to the satisfaction of the general public who hire them. You can't just jump the cops ~ or kill them. They didn't make an unlawful entry ~ they responded to your husband's call for assistance, or presence.

The sooner you get your emotions under control the sooner they'll leave. Screaming and hollering like a wildcat just doesn't cut it. In fact, that just gives them probable cause ~ and that can happen so quickly, and so unassumingly that you probably think they are breaking in your home.

Sure, the law says you can resist only if they are breaking the law, but when you're running around screaming your head off, bluffing, blustering and tossing stuff, are you fit to decide that the cop your husband called is there unlawfully?

391 posted on 06/14/2012 6:42:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: D-fendr

The cops said they believed it encouraged the murder of cops. As long as they believe that you get the consequences of having your local cops believe that.


392 posted on 06/14/2012 6:45:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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