Posted on 06/10/2012 4:26:01 AM PDT by marktwain
There is some BS in the article. For instance, it cites CHL holders with “extensive criminal records”. WTF?
I have been informed and entertained by these two books:
The books are HILARIOUS and will teach you how real cops think and act. They are some of the funniest books that I ever read.
One of the most interesting bits in the first book is that if you defend yourself in Dallas, the DA will try to put you away. In Houston, no problemo.
The author cautions you to NEVER SIGN A STATEMENT PREPARED BY THE POLICE. If you are forced to defend yourself, GET AN ATTORNEY FIRST BEFORE MAKING A STATEMENT.
No, there's a very good reason for the law that's never mentioned by MSM reports. SYG at least the Florida version, confers immunity from civil liability for justifiable use of deadly force.
That's a major club in the hands of the anti-gun crowd. Even if you were 100% justified in using deadly force to defend yourself, they got to destroy you, financially, for daring to do so.
Further, the Florida supreme court has held that using a firearm to defend your home is a voluntary act, therefore your legal expenses were not covered by homeowners insurance, as in other states.
So both anti-gunners and ambulance chasers, no strangers to public relations campaigns, both despise SYG, because it took away the blade they used to bleed you dry for defending yourself.
And BRAVO to that !!
Lees criminals in the jails and more in the grave. No downside to that.
If Zimmerman didn’t have a gun that night he would have been the victim of an unsolved murder.
If Zimmerman didn’t have a gun that night he would have been the victim of an unsolved murder.
Official statistics from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement show that from the years 2004 to 2007, the rate of violent crime in Florida was steady at about 705 such crimes per 100,00 people per year. That rate then declined every year after the Stand Your Ground went into effect in late 2007, to a rate of 519.3 violent crimes per hundred thousand people in 2011, the most recent year for which such statistics are available.
Of course, national trends also showed a decline in violent crime in the same period -- but Florida experienced a sharper decline. The most recent FBI statistics show that from 2007 to 2009, the rate of violent crime nationally declined from 472 to 429.4 such crimes per hundred thousand people -- a drop of just under 10 per cent.
In comparison, in the same period, Florida's rate of violent crime for the same period declined from 705.5 to 604.9 per one hundred thousand people -- a drop of 14.25 per cent. After the Stand Your Ground law was enacted, Florida's previously stable rate of violent crime thus not only declined, but did so about 30 per cent more than the national rate declined.
Even as we look to crime rates for statistical comparisons, we should not lose sight that the decline in violent crime in Florida that we may fairly attribute in part to the Stand Your Ground law has had a wide benefit for the public: fewer victims of violent crime.
Overall, when raw crime numbers are totaled up, after the Stand Your Ground went into effect, Florida's citizens experienced about 87,500 fewer violent crimes from 2008 to 2011. Even if seventy per cent of that effect may be seen as a reflection of national trends, it still makes Stand Your Ground a remarkably successful anti-crime law, preventing over twenty five thousand violent crimes.
The cost? A few dozen more justifiable homicides, mostly of aggressive career criminals confronted by armed crime victims. Between innocent crime victims and criminals killed during commission of a crime, my sympathies are with the innocent victims.
The raw data that I relied on for this analysis can be viewed at the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and FBI websites.
~~~~ snip~~~~ Approximately 52.2% of all homicides are committed by 1.2% of the population.
This is a National Epidemic
You are hereby awarded this 1st Place Trophy for using Mathematical Logic in breaking down the real and factual data on the Crime Epidemic that we the people deal with daily.
Yet knowing the same data pansy ass politicians tremble at the thought of even whispering them in their sleep -- all because it will cost them a few lousy votes from the relatives of these dregs of society.
Congratulations on your award :-)
Yea, I read that about Switzerland - same thing - if you have guns (which are kind of required there), they have to be unreachable for personable defence - and inspectable at will.
We’re still on the offense here regarding gun control - we may hear lip service about tightening the laws...but even President Obama signed a bill that now allows legal concealed-carry owners to bring their guns into national parks (provided that the state is ok with concealed-carry). Before that, it was “no guns in parks”.
I just hope we stay on the offensive - the liberals pray every day for another mass murder of kids, so that they can get some footing on the issue - and they just haven’t been having any luck, so far.
If all these extra homicides have been justifiable, obviously we were getting short-changed before SYG passed!
OUTSTANDING. President Romney should give Zimmerman the Medal of Freedom for inspiring his fellow Floridians to dispose of criminals in record numbers.
Charles Robbins stumbled to his feet as someone pounded on his door. ___ Outside the Woodland Avenue residence stood 24-year-old Tyler Orshoski, a career criminal who police believe was ready to strike again.The 82-year-old man grabbed a World War II-era Russian-built Tokerev, walked to the door and fired once.
"I did what I had to do and I would do it again," the Daytona Beach man said. ___ Minutes later, Orshoski lay dead on Robbins' porch. Robbins was never charged.
Mr Robbins has a good taste in weapons. The Tokerev fires one mean mother of a round, the 7.62x25mm Tokarev (Bottleneck round). And it's one round you don't want to screw around with -- if you're on the receiving end.
Ballistic wise, it's basically a rifle round just being fired from a pistol. It will go through Level II Body Armor ('bullet proof vests' /s) like they weren't even there. And if up close, I've read even through Level III vests (But no hard data for this, just 'hearsay'). But a normal wooden door will not be a problem for this little hummer.
I've been meaning to get one of these for yeeeears with my C&R License (I luv the ATF). The Romanian TTC Tokarevs are now the most available on the market (Polish variant around also). There's also the CZ-52 that 'used to be everywhere' but I haven't seen them in a while on the C&R sites I go to. (They have brittle firing pins and you have to get a modern one right off the bat.)
Oh and if the Drunken Fatso Kennedy got his way when he was still kickin' Mr Robbins wouldn't have this gun, it's a 'Cop Killer'.
“In the six years after the law was passed, 228 people were killed by citizens acting in self-defense— about one justified homicide every 10 days.”
Holy smokes, especially when the light dawns that had these deceased perpetrators instead been (expensively) arrested and convicted and sentenced to prison, *each one of them* would have cost taxpayers between $1-2 million dollars!
Of course, many of the deceased perpetrators would *not* have been caught, many would have been acquitted at trial for whatever reason, and *most* would have plea bargained to lesser sentences.
So it is rather hard to calculate the actual costs, except by noting that once dead, they never re-offend, which saves another huge amount of money, as well as the human cost.
All for the low, low price of bullets, and citizens exercising their natural rights, as endowed by their creator.
Just in this ONE case, Mr. Tyler Orshoski has 13 different mug shots in just one county. At the age of 24.
Liberals demand criminals be released into the public as they denounce our prisons for having too many criminals locked up. They race bait it claiming the race quota of Black men locked up is too high. Slowly they are overcoming the idea that the purpose of our criminal justice syste m is not to coddle criminals but to protect public safety.
These criminals would be safe and sound if they were still in prison where they belong. It is not self defense that is the problem. It is a criminal justice system that releases criminals will long histories of offenses.
Criminals are responsible for dozens to hundreds of crimes over their lifetimes. When a criminal career is cut short by death there is an incredible reduction in costs for insurance, courts and incarceration. Two hundred criminals dead, that’s 20,000 crimes not committed, that’s ( I Am guessing here) 50 people not murdered, that means fewer police and judges needed ETC ETC ETC.
The positive benefits to society just keep coming.
Politicians are idiots. Stand behind statistics.....they do not, and cannot lie.
There absolutely is a need for this law!
Don't pretend that there has ever existed a “law” protecting ones right to inflict lethal self defense in your home or business, BEFORE YOU ARE INJURED.
I moved around a lot in my younger years. I always called the local LEOs to find out what local “rules” applied to me, as a citizen concerned about my personal safety, but unable to afford armed bodyguards.
There are always quirks about carrying a weapon in your POV, and almost always, there was a presumption that I would have to wait untill my last physical barriors (doors or windows) were actually breached, and the intruder/attacker was within arms reach, before I would be considered “allowed” to defend myself by any means necessary.
In the real world, innocent people are regularly incarcerated for a year or two before the courts bestir themselves to finally hold an actual trial to “sort it all out”.
And yes, I support my home state SYG law.
When seconds count, the police are minutes away.
BTW, my car was recently stolen, but since I reported it immediately, when it was “found abandoned” a few days later, the police notified me where it was towed too.
They did not even bother to take fingerprints, or even pretend to investigate the crime, or make any attempt to find the thief.
I wonder what they would do if I had been sitting in the car, and somone tried to steal it from me, and I shot them dead instead.
You appear to believe I had a natural right to defend my property and myself. I didn't before SYG. I do now.
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