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Teenager Breaks Into Tolleson Cop's House; You Betcha, That Kid Got Shot(AZ)
phoenixnewtimes.com ^ | 6 June, 2012 | Matthew Hendley

Posted on 06/07/2012 4:50:09 AM PDT by marktwain

Residential burglary is a slightly safer activity than Russian roulette, but sooner or later, burglars are bound to run into someone with a gun who does not take kindly to scumbags in his house.

One of those types would be cops, who all have guns, and aren't too sympathetic toward crime.

A 17-year-old kid found that out the hard way Tuesday afternoon, as he broke into the home of a Tolleson police officer.

The officer -- whose name hasn't been released -- was taking a nap at home around 2:30 p.m. Tuesday when he heard breaking glass coming from downstairs, according to Phoenix police.

The cop went down there with his firearm, and found this uninvited teenager in his home "armed with a large rock," police say.

After giving the teenager commands to drop the rock, police say the kid instead cocked his arm back as if he were going to throw it at the officer, and the Tolleson cop put a bullet in the intruder's head.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: az; banglist; defense; home
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To: brent13a

He probably “rendered aid” by squeezing the perps abdomen to make sure there wasn’t too much blood in his system.


21 posted on 06/07/2012 6:46:51 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Celtic Conservative

The kid’s not going to be throwing any rocks or running away if he’s laying on the ground with a bullet in his leg, is he??? Why isn’t that the wise choice??? Why the bullet to the head???


22 posted on 06/07/2012 6:54:48 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: marktwain

It was nice of this cop to save the taxpayers some cash by eliminating this feral human from the gene pool. It’s too bad George Zimmerman has been made a political football over the same.


23 posted on 06/07/2012 6:56:19 AM PDT by Hacksaw (If I had a son, he'd look like George Zimmerman.)
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To: Uncle Chip; Celtic Conservative

Legs and arms are NOT that easy to hit, even for a trained marksman.
What is easier to hit?
Head, chest, abdomen.

Yes, the prosecutors insist that we non-law enforcement citizens try to shoot limbs if we absolutely have to defend ourselves, but that is “Wild We4st” fantasy thinking.


24 posted on 06/07/2012 7:04:19 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: marktwain

It says that the kid was armed with a large rock? From this statement it’s clear the kids was palestinian and was simply taking advantage right of return and does not recognize the cops right to exist. Expect CAIR to be all over this.


25 posted on 06/07/2012 7:09:26 AM PDT by fightin kentuckian
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To: Uncle Chip; Celtic Conservative

You remove the threat, period. If the kid can come back you have not removed the threat. DRT is always the best solution.


26 posted on 06/07/2012 7:17:49 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: marktwain
After giving the teenager commands to drop the rock, police say the kid instead cocked his arm back as if he were going to throw it at the officer, and the Tolleson cop put a bullet in the intruder's head.

Head shots are very difficult especially if the target is moving. Cops don't usually shoot this well.

How many rounds were fired? Was he aiming at his head, body or the rock?

27 posted on 06/07/2012 7:22:11 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: fightin kentuckian
It says that the kid was armed with a large rock? From this statement it’s clear the kids was palestinian . . .

LOL

28 posted on 06/07/2012 7:36:46 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: fightin kentuckian

“From this statement it’s clear the kids was palestinian and was simply taking advantage right of return and does not recognize the cops right...”

He didn’t recognize the cop’s right of return.... fire.


29 posted on 06/07/2012 7:43:46 AM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: Darksheare; nonsporting
What is easier to hit?

I would think that the chest, abdomen, then legs would be easiest to hit. They are larger targets and can't be moved quickly. The head and arms on the other hand would seem to be the hardest to hit because they are smaller and can move, twist, or turn quickly.

It is possible that he was aiming at the rock in his hand as he was raising it to throw the rock, and just missed and hit his head by mistake. That's more likely --

30 posted on 06/07/2012 7:53:38 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip; nonsporting

Legs are not that easy to hit.
You do NOT aim for those.
You aim center of mass.

And shooting things out of people’s hands is movie fantasy when you have the guy charging at you.
That is NOT a likely scenario.
What is likely is this: Aimed center of mass, kid was leaning forward.


31 posted on 06/07/2012 7:57:11 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Uncle Chip

Was there some reason why he couldn’t have just shot him in the leg???


Any other teens who might be tempted to “B&E” are likely to reconsider if enough invaders receive ventilation ports in their skulls.

Simply plugging a leg will likely leave a dirtbag able to sue. Unless you happen to nick the femoral artery.


32 posted on 06/07/2012 7:58:30 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: marktwain
... the Tolleson cop put a bullet in the intruder's head.

That fella's been getting his time in on the range.

33 posted on 06/07/2012 8:13:39 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: marktwain

Love it!! Nice shooting!!!! Never bring a rock to a gun fight!!! Unfortunately, the sub-human will probably live. I would have put 3-4 rounds into the sub-human’s chest and then told it to drop the rock. As for administering first aid to the sub-human? Not gonna happen! Ever!


34 posted on 06/07/2012 10:13:58 AM PDT by jhroberts
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To: Molon Labbie
Try to stay on the line until the officers arrive, give a complete physical description of your self, the suspect, and your location to avoid misunderstanding or surprises.

One CCW article I read said to get in the car (and take everybody else in the house) and move a block away, while telling the operator what you are doing. That way the cops CAN'T mistake you for the Bad Guy.

35 posted on 06/07/2012 10:22:39 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Oatka

That would be leaving the scene. You’re likely to get a LOT of trouble for that.


36 posted on 06/07/2012 10:27:41 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: Oatka

There’s no bad technique to keep from getting shot by mistake.


37 posted on 06/07/2012 10:32:29 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: Darksheare
Legs are not that easy to hit. You do NOT aim for those. You aim center of mass. And shooting things out of people’s hands is movie fantasy when you have the guy charging at you. That is NOT a likely scenario. What is likely is this: Aimed center of mass, kid was leaning forward.

I asked the question insincerely. Center of mass should be the first target. If that fails (body armor? drugs?), then one's training dictates different secondary goals--destroy mobility by destroying the pelvis. The head is usually not targeted except in a hostage scenario, where the innocent victim's body may be used as shield. If so, this may create a perp with a farely stable head that may be easier to hit.

To aim for center of mass and hit the head is unlikely. Shots are usually pulled low, not high, unless one is having difficulty seeing the front sight in a low-light condition. (Is this what happened?)

38 posted on 06/07/2012 11:01:37 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
That would be leaving the scene. You’re likely to get a LOT of trouble for that.

Point taken. I would tell the operator why I am moving and ask if I should stay. Put the onus on them. If they are ambivalent, repeat what they said so they can't claim a "misunderstanding", then tell them that to prevent any perceived threat to or from the officers, you are moving to save your lives. Hard to hammer you if that is recorded.

Agreed, it is hard to think clearly in these stressful situations, but depending on what state you live in, you may be right no matter what is said.

39 posted on 06/07/2012 11:06:03 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: nonsporting

Ah, okers.
Others were being sincere about aiming for legs.

The kid probably leaned forward, the cop probably was aiming center of mass.
That’s what most likely happened.

The article said 2:30 in the afternoon, low light may not have been an issue.
Unless it was an extraordinarily dark room like in my mother in law’s place.

That’s why I’m thinking the kid leaned forward and took it to the head that way.


40 posted on 06/07/2012 11:12:16 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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