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1 posted on 06/06/2012 6:55:41 AM PDT by TonyInOhio
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To: TonyInOhio

There seems to be a lot of liberal angst, as to why the exit polls and the actual results were so far off.

I was surprised that it was not a long election night vote count.

Of course, the Democrats were hoping it would be close, so they could hold back vote results from certain key areas until the end, then hit us with late results from Milwaukee or Madison. But the size of the victory for Walker meant that we would see no late night shenanigans in vote counting in this election.

Somebody once said, that if an election is not close, then the Democrats can’t cheat and steal the election.

Yesterday’s news was that the Justice Department was standing by to investigate voting irregularities. The Democrats had hundreds of lawyers standing by, to deal with an expected re-count. But the size of the victory makes all of that moot.


2 posted on 06/06/2012 7:05:13 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: TonyInOhio
Yup, this is only the beginning. Obama's in trouble big time. Romney just has to keep his cool and not say anything overtly stupid and we can throw Obama out like yesterday's trash.

Then the work to pull Romney to the right and undermining Republican elites begins.

4 posted on 06/06/2012 7:13:00 AM PDT by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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To: TonyInOhio

Lots of white middle class and working class voters are NOT voting for Obama again.

Their reasons will be, at least in part, racial (he has sided with the Black Panthers in declaring a race war against all the rest of us).

Nobody wants to see what the repercussions of that will be in a second term. But they are never gonna reveal that to a pollster out of fear of being tagged a racist.


5 posted on 06/06/2012 7:17:00 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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"Sure, people are tired of public sector unions holding the taxpayer hostage. Why wouldn’t they be? But they’re tired of a lot more than that. This is only the beginning."

Not the same issues on the ballot, but the WI election sure looked a lot like the NC election last month. After 4 years of "unexpected" downturns, I think the Obama administration will experience it's worst and last downturn in November.

6 posted on 06/06/2012 7:17:27 AM PDT by JWinNC (www.anailinhisplace.net)
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The exit polls were probably wrong on Obama by at least as much as they were wrong on Walker. Romney (yuck! Is that really the best the GOP could do???) should consider WI in play and campaign hard there. Florida, Colorado, Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin are all worth trying for too. Besides the fact that even Romney might win most or all of those states, contesting them seriously will force Obama to defend a lot of territory that he carried four years ago and make him weaker in the most competitive swing states.


7 posted on 06/06/2012 7:17:39 AM PDT by Pollster1 (A boy becomes a man when a man is needed - John Steinbeck)
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Apparently, the silent majority of Wisconsin voters didn’t want to admit to nosy pollsters and anyone else that might be listening that they were opposed to runaway unions, runaway spending, or the Democratic administration. They just wanted to cast their votes. And they did.
I wish people everywhere, on both sides of the issues, would say a big fat healthy FU to pollsters every time they are questioned.

That's why we have elections, to decide public issues. We don't need pollsters.

I remember reading a science fiction story about 10 years ago set in a future where the "science of polling" was so advanced that the presidential election was decided by a single person, picked by the "polling computers" to be the best representative sample of public opinion. It was a tongue-in-cheek story that was well-written and still sticks in my mind.

I suppose there actually is a "science of polling" somewhere. But there is also "polling propaganda", and "polling for dollars", and "polling to promote your cause".

Just say no to pollsters.

9 posted on 06/06/2012 7:23:06 AM PDT by samtheman
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Listening to polls is how Republicans nominated the “he can win candidate” with the best chance of losing.


12 posted on 06/06/2012 7:34:42 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: TonyInOhio

Maybe the exit polls were off but the pre-election polls, all except one, seemed to be dead-on with the final result.


13 posted on 06/06/2012 7:36:31 AM PDT by bkepley
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This was all put down to a form of covert racism. People didn’t want to admit they wouldn’t vote for a black man.

The Bradley effect is really a measure of the Ministry of Truth media spin. Which scenario is more likely: ordinary people exiting polls are prone to tell lies, or the media is? Media polls always error on the side of the Democrat, and then some.

17 posted on 06/06/2012 7:44:30 AM PDT by Reeses
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Lie to the pollsters. Lie about white candidates. Lie about black candidates. Lie about purple, polka-dotted candidates with green hair and three eyes in the middle of both their foreheads. Do not ever say one true word to a pollster, regardless of race, color, creed or sexual orientation of the candidate.


24 posted on 06/06/2012 8:21:57 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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I’ve been writing this for months. People are staying quiet about Obama because they don’t want to be harrassed and called racists. They will quietly go to the polls and vote this man out of office in November.

Yes Virginia, there is a Bradley effect, only this election it’s the Obama effect.


26 posted on 06/06/2012 8:29:39 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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Governor George Deukmejian was great! He cut the Budget and mailed the surplus back to the taxpayers before the legislature could come up with a way to spend it. We would have made that man King if he had run for it.


29 posted on 06/06/2012 8:38:21 AM PDT by ME-262 (We need Term Limits for the federal house and senate. We need new Bums up there.)
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To: TonyInOhio
Surprisingly, Charles Krauthammer, of all people, missed the point on Fox when he pointed to Obama’s nine-point lead in Wisconsin exit polls as indication the state would not be in play in the presidential election. It was those same exit polls that said the recall election would be close.

I caught Krauthammer saying that too and shook my head in disbelief that he'd miss such a simple, elegant point as you made.

BTW, have you noticed (as I have .... ) that the pollsters have stopped asking specifically WHO likely voters are intending to, or committed to voting for? The polls that I've been paying attention to focus on LIKEABILITY, which tend to give Obama higher marks than Romney.

I've been "push-polled" at least 5 times in the last 45 days here in IL. The last three times there were no questions on who I "intended" to vote for or who I was "leaning" towards. All the questions were slanted towards LIKEABILITY of Obama and UNFAVORABLE ratings of Romney.

Sure I played along and told them what they wanted to hear. What I'm going to do in the voting booth on Nov. 6th is completely different however.

30 posted on 06/06/2012 8:40:40 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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Any number of Freepers were all over this with the Bradley effect in 2008. It was gonna elect McCain, and the polls were all wrong.

Actual result:

Polls - 1

Delusional Freepers - 0

And please, you don't wanna hear my rant about the "PUMAs" either.....

32 posted on 06/06/2012 8:44:15 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)
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if I were David Axelrod and his team of so-called wise men, I would be wondering – what if all the polls are wrong? What if this is true across the entire country?

The right question. This is what is scaring the dickens out of the DNC.

37 posted on 06/06/2012 9:17:40 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Article 58)
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Only Krauthammer respects Krauthammer. He sits on that show pontificating and can’t wait to collect his check. He’s so unimpressive. He’s a media creation - gravitas - joke.


38 posted on 06/06/2012 9:29:06 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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The more Republicans who avoid or anti-Freep exit polls the better. As long as the left thinks it's handily won or is close, they won't have to hold back reporting results while they invent ballots to show up late.

Plus there is that sweet benefit of watching the actual tears of vanquished, invested leftists.

39 posted on 06/06/2012 9:34:02 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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There might be a Bradley effect with Romney as well. Like Bradley and Wilder, Romney seems to poll better than his actual election returns. With the two African-Americans, it was assumed that people were afraid of being viewed as racist. Isn’t it possible that Romney’s Mormonism might produce the same effect among Republicans?


40 posted on 06/06/2012 3:27:18 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Obama vs. Romney - clear evidence that our nation has been judged by God and found wanting.)
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