Romney names former Utah gov. to lead potential transition [Polygamy rearing ugly head]

CNN ^ | June 4, 2012

[Elsie]

Not that he's practicing it - but that moreso than any other Utah governor, he was put on the spot to police the prohibition and he chose not to do so, for what that's worth.

How many MEN have been the governor of UTAH since then?

How many of THEM have stopped the polys in UTAH?

[Elsie]

"The fact that our constitution requires the state to prohibit polygamy does not necessarily mean that the state must deny any or all civil rights and privileges to polygamists."

"The fact that our RELIGION requires it's MEMBERS to ENGAGE in polygamy does not necessarily mean that the CHURCH must EXCOMMICATE polygamists when we find them in our midst."

(But we do...)

[Elsie]

I never knew there was such a hotbed of Mormon hate left in the world and here it is on Free Repubic.

There seems to be a LOT of things that you are ignorant unknowing of.

Yup; in THIS world, there are a LOT of people who realize what a HERESY mormonISM is, and are doing all they can to EDUCATE folks about it.

Stay around; you'll LEARN lots of things that SLC wishes would just stay in the shadowes.

[Elsie]

...are self excommunicated.

 

 

There's that word again!

 

 

Do you know that LDS headquarters sent out a PRESS RELEASE that contained THIS sentence?

 

     Decades ago, the founders of that sect rejected the doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, were excommunicated, and then started their own religion.

 

One can SEE that it contains lies!

 

 

I have just POSTED what the LDS 'doctrine' is - plainly SEEN in D&C 132.

 

WHY are the polygamists called FUNDYS?   NOT because they 'started' a new religion; but CONTINUED the one that was delivered to and practiced in Salt Lake City for years!

 

 

It is SLC that is the BREAKAWAY sect!

 

 

[Elsie]

Here - read the stuff for yourselves....

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    OFFICIAL DECLARATION—1

To Whom It May Concern:

Press dispatches having been sent for political purposes, from Salt Lake City, which have been widely published, to the effect that the Utah Commission, in their recent report to the Secretary of the Interior, allege that plural marriages are still being solemnized and that forty or more such marriages have been contracted in Utah since last June or during the past year, also that in public discourses the leaders of the Church have taught, encouraged and urged the continuance of the practice of polygamy—

I, therefore, as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.

One case has been reported, in which the parties allege that the marriage was performed in the Endowment House, in Salt Lake City, in the Spring of 1889, but I have not been able to learn who performed the ceremony; whatever was done in this matter was without my knowledge. In consequence of this alleged occurrence the Endowment House was, by my instructions, taken down without delay.

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.

There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.

WILFORD WOODRUFF
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 

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President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:

“I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.”

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.

Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.

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EXCERPTS FROM THREE ADDRESSES BY
PRESIDENT WILFORD WOODRUFF
REGARDING THE MANIFESTO

The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty. (Sixty-first Semiannual General Conference of the Church, Monday, October 6, 1890, Salt Lake City, Utah. Reported in Deseret Evening News, October 11, 1890, p. 2.)

It matters not who lives or who dies, or who is called to lead this Church, they have got to lead it by the inspiration of Almighty God. If they do not do it that way, they cannot do it at all. . . .

I have had some revelations of late, and very important ones to me, and I will tell you what the Lord has said to me. Let me bring your minds to what is termed the manifesto. . . .

The Lord has told me to ask the Latter-day Saints a question, and He also told me that if they would listen to what I said to them and answer the question put to them, by the Spirit and power of God, they would all answer alike, and they would all believe alike with regard to this matter.

The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue—to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?

The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people, so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.

. . . I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write. . . .

I leave this with you, for you to contemplate and consider. The Lord is at work with us.

(Cache Stake Conference, Logan, Utah, Sunday, November 1, 1891. Reported in Deseret Weekly, November 14, 1891.)

 

 

 

Now I will tell you what was manifested to me and what the Son of God performed in this thing. . . . All these things would have come to pass, as God Almighty lives, had not that Manifesto been given. Therefore, the Son of God felt disposed to have that thing presented to the Church and to the world for purposes in his own mind. The Lord had decreed the establishment of Zion. He had decreed the finishing of this temple. He had decreed that the salvation of the living and the dead should be given in these valleys of the mountains. And Almighty God decreed that the Devil should not thwart it. If you can understand that, that is a key to it.

 

(From a discourse at the sixth session of the dedication of the Salt Lake Temple, April 1893. Typescript of Dedicatory Services, Archives, Church Historical Department, Salt Lake City, Utah.)

 

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What kind of  'Leadership' is THIS???

 

compared to...

 

 

 

 

Hebrews 11:35-40
 35.  Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection.
 36.  Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison.
 37.  They were stoned ; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated--
 38.  the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground. 
 

 

or compared to...

 

Acts 4:19.  But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God.

 

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So much for an 'Everlasting Covenant' that thundered out of Heaven!!!

 

Well; it DID last about 47 years!

 

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Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...

I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."

~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President

 

[Elsie]

For a reason I do not understand, you apparently dismiss this involvement as opportunist, I can tell you it is not, it is striving for his own godhood.

Yup; there is the EVIDENCE posted in reply #78!

[Elsie]

He is and has always been part of the hierarchy of mormonism.

His family has been from the beginning.

Authors Richard and Joan Ostling have written variously that the Romneys are

"an LDS political dynasty"  and that "The Romneys are LDS royalty".

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romney_family

[Elsie]

...would rather have STATEHOOD than to OBEY the commands of their GOD!

If I were an SLC mormon; I'd be afraid to go to sleep at night, KNOWING what the future holds!!

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"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

[altura]

Elsie, I’m sorry that you harbor so much hate in your heart.

The tenets of most religions, if examined by the letter, would offend some people.

I’ve known many Mormons and they live their lives in a way that is a credit to God.

Romney’s personal life (whether you agree with his politics or not) is exemplary. Not a scandal to be found.

I believe it is wrong to preach the hate you preach against Mormons, so please don’t presume to tell me what I know and don’t know.

[svcw]

mormonism teaches godS, not God.

How do you know Romney has lived an exemplary life? I would say the promotion of abortion for free or low cost is hardly exemplary.

No one is preaching hate towards mormons, exposing mormonISM is not hate in any sense of the word.

[reaganaut]

There have been several on here who have defended polygamy and a couple who even promoted it.

Sorry, there is a history there.

[altura]

By their fruits you shall know them.

Your fruits are rotten and ugly. I can smell them from here.

[ScottinVA]

Wow... haven’t crossed paths with any of those folks. Amazing to think anyone with a conservative tendency would think in that direction.

[RitaOK]

>>> “ Ok, I am confused are you saying you know that Romney is a socialist? Or that BHO is a socialist? Both are not Christian, as in not practicing Christianity.
Romney is not, has not excommunicated himself from SLC lds,......” <<<

svcw, no sir/madam, I was referring to SELF-ex-communicated CATHOLICS IN NAME ONLY (CINOS) like Pelosi, who is one AMONG several, in the cabal of non-Christian or athiests in Congress, who are facilitators for Marxisism and socialism, along with the black caucus. I assume they are Black Liberation Theology types, if anything?

I am not familiar at all with excommunication among Mormans. As I said, I know nothing about Mormans, and what they believe is uninteresting to me.

I just never read double wide spam in double wide capital letters and threatening headlines above text longer than my arm. It has the appearance of hysteria and screaming and is generally too verbose for my attention span, on a subject I am not interested in.

This would explain why there are only three of us on this thread. You know what I mean?

[greyfoxx39]

These people ... I never knew there was such a hotbed of Mormon hate left in the world and here it is on Free Repubic.

QUICK! Run over to trueblueliars and bash FR and JR some more.

(Posted by altura, May 16, 2012)
"Jim R. never posted or interfered much back in those days. I have totally lost respect for him because it's obvious that his pathological hatred of Romney has caused him to lose all perspective and he would actually rather see Obama win than Romney. I am convinced of that. And now the site is just weird. I checked it out yesterday. Very few threads of general and political interest were started. Most of those had 2 to 20 replies. On the other hand, the threads of the inbred idiocracy just kept going on and on up to 700 posts with the same people saying the same thing. I really think a Jim Jones mentality has set in over there".

(Posted by altura, May 4, 2012). "I was pleased when I saw the truce thread, but it turned out to be bull stuff.
It's exactly the same there. I think Jim was indicating that he wouldn't zot in the hope of getting more contributions. Their contributions haven't moved a dollar in a week.
But I scanned the thread and it's the same old BS. You cannot reason with those people and it's sickening to try. By the way, I am using my screen name from over there, maybe it was a mistake but it's done now and at this point I don't really care what the insane asylum does about me.

And here you are, constantly talking about the "hate" of other FReepers.

Funny how you don't consider your OWN "hate".

Your posting history on FR

[ansel12]

As a Bishop and Stake President Mitt Romney has personally excommunicated a number of Mormons, he has also been the final religious authority that Mormons of his districts depend on for approval as being holy enough to be awarded his Temple recommendation, he could also remove such, and relegate a Temple Mormon back to the roughly 85% of Mormons who are not allowed into those elegant, palatial, and secretive inner sanctums where private Mormonism is practiced. Mitt was a Stake President, over other Bishops, even his own father was only a Bishop.

Mitt Romney was given the personal approval of the Holy Prophet, the Mormon Pope, for his presidential run in a private meeting in 2005.

Mitt Romney is devout, devoted, and powerful within the Mormon religion (it is not a sect), Pope John II personally ruled that Mormonism is not Christian, but is it’s own religion.

[SoConPubbie]

Your fruits are rotten and ugly. I can smell them from here.

Your projection is showing again Altura.

BTW, I think that Jesus would agree that those who sell their souls and their principles for political gain are the ones whose fruit is rotton and ugly.

[SZonian]

"I’m sorry that you harbor so much hate in your heart. "

"...don’t presume to tell me what I know and don’t know."

Yet, you "presume" to tell Elsie what's in his/her heart based on their posting attributed quotations from authoritive mormon scriptures and doctrine?

Cognitive dissonance much?

[ejonesie22]

Interesting quotes by Altura from truebluerinos there GF.

Especially considering this from our friend here a few days back...

I do not denigrate Free Republic. If I didn’t love Free Republic, I wouldn’t bother.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2890305/posts?page=46#46

When that kind of obvious hypocrisy is so apparent, well one can gage any response from the same fingers accordingly...

But what do I know, I am just one of the inmates here at the asylum waiting for my daily kool aide...

[Tau Food]

Please, altura, try to understand that many folks are firmly opposed to any kind of marriage liberalization that would permit or, indeed, encourage or require polygamy. At least for now, most Mormons don’t “go public” with more than their main “public” wife. It’s bad enough in the closet, but we don’t want it in the White House!

Let’s stick with “one man, one woman” marriage.