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To: Durus
All firearms are military derivatives regardless of general use.

I see your logic, but think it a stretch to say that all rifles are of military origin because all firearms derive, at some point, from firearms that were designed for military use.

Clearly, some firearms are designed specifically for hunting and not for military use, even if they can be used militarily.

Sure, the early matchlocks and hand cannons were first designed for military usage, and all modern designs derive to some extent from them.

But it is rather like saying that all knives are military derivatives.

I think we can make a useful distinction about rifles that were designed for military usage, and those that were not. Many were designed with both purposes in mind. For a lot of designers, the military market was the brass ring to aim for.

On the other hand, I cannot think of a single double rifle manufacturer that tried to get military contracts for their rifles.

21 posted on 06/04/2012 6:58:23 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
I know where you are coming and I appreciate your opinion but this is not like knives. A knife (in the form of a sharpened rock) was probably first used as a tool rather than a weapon. Guns on the other hand were first invented as weapons and they remain such even if used primarily for hunting. It's a relatively modern notion to create a specialized hunting firearm, especially in America where historically the primary self defense weapon was also used for hunting. It's this modern notion of separating weapons (ie:military type rifles) and "hunting rifles" that allowed the whole "sporting purposes" rationale to be applied. This article completely bows to the notion that we can somehow separate out those evil military guns but still fondle grandpas Winchester 94 because it isn't a weapon it's just a hunting tool.

There are a lot of avid hunters that are union member Democrats that hate the 2nd amendment and would be thrilled if we could ban all "military weapons", including pistols, as long as they can shoot some ducks/doves/deer whatever. We need to fight against the sporting purposes rationale whenever we can while reminding these Fuds that their toys are going to be banned next.

28 posted on 06/04/2012 9:49:10 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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