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To: alloysteel

From the hadith, the collected oral and written accounts of Muhammad and his teachings during his lifetime:

A Bedouin came to the prophet, grabbed the stirrup of his camel and said: O the messenger of God! Teach me something to go to heaven with it. Prophet said: “As you would have people do to you, do to them; and what you dislike to be done to you, don’t do to them. Now let the stirrup go! [This maxim is enough for you; go and act in accordance with it!]”
—Kitab al-Kafi, vol. 2, p. 146

“None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.”
—An-Nawawi’s Forty Hadith 13 (p. 56)

“Seek for mankind that of which you are desirous for yourself, that you may be a believer.”
—Sukhanan-i-Muhammad (Teheran, 1938)

“That which you want for yourself, seek for mankind.”

“The most righteous person is the one who consents for other people what he consents for himself, and who dislikes for them what he dislikes for himself.”

Ali ibn Abi Talib (4th Caliph in Sunni Islam, and first Imam in Shia Islam) says:
“O’ my child, make yourself the measure (for dealings) between you and others. Thus, you should desire for others what you desire for yourself and hate for others what you hate for yourself. Do not oppress as you do not like to be oppressed. Do good to others as you would like good to be done to you. Regard bad for yourself whatever you regard bad for others. Accept that (treatment) from others which you would like others to accept from you... Do not say to others what you do not like to be said to you.”
—Nahjul Balaghah, Letter 31


23 posted on 06/02/2012 6:33:53 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Oh, the WORDS are there, but not the spirit. In the eyes of the Noble Isamic Gentlemen, if the other upon whom the good works are bestowed is not ALSO a Noble Islamic Gentleman, then the application is not necessary. There is an institutional blindness within the practice of this ideology, that only the favored ones are real humanity, the rest of the world who are NOT Islamic and male are inherently inferior, and no reciprocity need be extended to them.

The “golden rule” is meant to extend to ALL people, not just the favored ones. Else why would Islam condone the practice of holding dhimmi at the lower level of actual slaves, or demand the execution of the kafir, the unbelievers? This is certainly not the practice of any “golden rule”, as no Noble Islamic Gentleman would permit this equality before the eyes of his peers.


36 posted on 06/02/2012 8:03:37 AM PDT by alloysteel (Fear and intimidation work. At least on the short term.)
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To: Sherman Logan

The passages you have listed in post 23 are directions for muslim to muslim behaviour.

There are completely different rules for muslim to kafir or muslim to the rest of the world behaviour.


39 posted on 06/02/2012 8:20:46 AM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: Sherman Logan; All

Very nice, a “golden rule” type of concept in the koran.

“As you would have people do to you”...

well...

A serious muslim would certainly say if they were to fall away from islam that another muslim should kill them.

There, it’s easy.

They can adhere to the idea that anyone who is not muslim should either pay a tax to them, convert or be killed - and they can simultaneously adhere to what we confuse as being synonymous with the golden rule.

They are saying what they mean. Westerners simply typically don’t get what muslims are saying.

A) there is no exit from this enemy force for it’s members other than death

B) the enemy force’s long-term goal is to enlist everyone on earth as members and therefore to subdue the world; the first part of their plan involves subduing America and Europe through subversion (treason) by being let into those countries legally then changing them from within

C) the enemy force’s primary tactics are lying and intimidation


47 posted on 06/02/2012 11:11:08 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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