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To: bluecat6
I agree with you that Barack Obama Sr. was somehow necessary to deal with citizenship/adoption issues. I disagree that any of this would have affected a child's American citizenship. It is my understanding that neither a minor, nor a minor's parents can separate a child from his American Citizenship.

Only an individual, having come to an age of maturity, can elect to relinquish his American citizenship. It cannot be done for him, and he cannot do it when he is underage.

During this time period, Obama was a triple citizen. Kenyan, Indonesian, and American, but only if he was actually born on American Soil. If he was born on foreign soil, his mother was too young to confer American citizenship upon him. In that case, (a circumstance which I strongly suspect is true) He is NOT an American citizen.) He is a Kenyan Indonesian. (And perhaps Canadian. :) )

265 posted on 05/29/2012 7:33:30 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

I wish the facts and records of what happened were in the open to better address the question of citizenship status and possible naturalization status between 1965 and 1972.

I remember an reference that even if child fully and legally ‘lost’ citizenship due to parents changing citizenship or the Hague convention standards they had the right to ‘regain’ citizenship and naturalize.

Given the all the parties were in the US in 1971 and not in Indonesia or Kenya it would seem all the steps were done from within the US. Also assuming the end game was to have Obama be a US citizen with guardianship under his grandparents with very clear, documented records and paper trail it would seem the US State Department would need to be involved at some point.

It just seems that if the grandparents were taking responsibility they would want and need all the paperwork with i’s dotted and t’s crossed.

Also, this is when the ‘narrative’ story would have had to have been fixed in Hawaii records if it were not before. Even if the birth records did not list a father (i.e. why there are fields with the ‘9’ in the father fields indicating - ‘not stated’) these would have been ‘filled in’ in 1971 to ensure Obama Senior was fully recognized as the father.

Hawaii officials may have monkeyed with the records in 1971. Nothing to do with Article II, Section 1 but to help get a kid in danger out of a dangerous situation in a hot spot country.


268 posted on 05/29/2012 7:58:50 AM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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