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Arizona flooded by emails on Obama eligibility; 'It should be an honor to show their proof'
wnd ^ | Tuesday May 22, 2012 | Joe Kovacs

Posted on 05/22/2012 11:53:04 AM PDT by Red Steel

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1 posted on 05/22/2012 11:53:14 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
...of the people, by the people and for the people....

Voters doing what their elected representatives fear to do.

2 posted on 05/22/2012 12:01:13 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: Red Steel

That’s right, it should be an honor to prove one’s citizenship.


3 posted on 05/22/2012 12:05:30 PM PDT by Crucial
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To: Red Steel

And one should be angry and embarrassed to be thought a non-citizen of the United States when so many think so.


4 posted on 05/22/2012 12:07:26 PM PDT by Crucial
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To: Crucial
"That’s right, it should be an honor to prove one’s citizenship."

I'd like him to prove that he is a natural born Citizen as required by Article II of the Constitution.

5 posted on 05/22/2012 12:11:32 PM PDT by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: Red Steel

I ran across the CORRESPONDENCE between AZ Secretary of State Bennett and the jokers in Honolulu. I’ll post it and the link.

And yes, it’s worth reading it all - won’t take as long as you think.

On Monday, TPM filed a public records request for the correspondence between the Hawaii government and the Arizona Secretary of State’s Office. The results show Bennett and his staff grew ever more impatient with the slow pace of Hawaii’s response before the secretary finally took to a local conservative radio talk show on Thursday to voice his concerns.

“Hello Jill. I just left you a brief voice mail message,” Arizona Deputy Secretary of State Jim Drake wrote in an email to a Hawaii attorney on May 1. “I am wondering whether you can give me a ballpark timeframe on our request. As you know, the closer we get to November, the more my phone rings. I believe that having Hawaii’s response on hand might help to quell the inquiries!”

Deputy Attorney General Jill Nagamine’s response? “We need more information to substantiate that you are eligible to receive verification.”

MORE ON THE CORRESPONDENCE, Source is TPM,

Here now is the correspondence chain, starting with an email from Nagamine, the Hawaii deputy attorney general, which apparently followed a phone conversation between her and Bennett. The secretary’s first written request comes after that. Also included at the end are two emails Bennett sent to birthers who had been heckling him about the fact that Obama was still on track to be on Arizona’s ballot. TPM has edited out things like home addresses, email addresses and phone numbers.

From: Jill T. Nagamine
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:15 PM
To: Bennett, Ken
Subject: Link to Hawaii laws and the Department of Health webpage

Hi Ken—

So sorry I’ve taken so long to get back to you. I may take a few more days to get your final response about what we can verify and how we will do so. I have been tied up with some legislative deadlines that take precedence. To start with, here are the links that I mentioned to you.

The first link is to the Department of Health’s website that was created in response to the high volume of inquiries about the President’s birth certificate. It includes the press releases issued by the former Republican-appointed Director of Health.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

The second is to section 338-18, Hawaii Revised Statutes, which governs the confidentiality of vital records. Let me direct you to paragraph (g) which relates to verification of records.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.htm

Another link is to section 338-14.3, Hawaii Revised Statutes, which pertains to verification.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0014_0003.htm

The last link is to all of chapter 338, Hawaii Revised Statutes, Hawaii’s vital statistics law.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/

Jill T. Nagamine
Deputy Attorney General
State of Hawaii

March 30, 2012

Hawaii Department of Health
Office of Health Status Monitoring
Vital Records Issuance Section
P.O. Box 3378
Honolulu, HI 96801

Ladies and gentlemen:

Enclosed please find a request for a verification in lieu of a certified copy for the birth record of Barack Hussein Obama II. In addition to the items to be verified in the attached form, please verify the following items from the record of birth:

Department of Health File #151 61 10641
Time of birth: 7:24 p.m.
Name of hospital: Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital
Age of father: 25
Birthplace of Father: Kenya, East Africa
Age of mother: 18
Birthplace of mother: Wichita, Kansas
Date of signature of parent: 8-7-1961
Date of signature of attendant: 8-8-1961
Date accepted by local registrar: August-8 1961

Additionally, please verify that the attached copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama is a true and accurate representation of the original record in your files.

Thank you for your assistance in this matter.

Sincerely,

Ken Bennett
Arizona Secretary of State

From: Bennett, Ken
To: Jill T. Nagamine
Date: 04/16/2012 01:48 PM
Subject: RE: Link to Hawaii laws and the Department of Health webpage

Dear Jill,

Thank you for speaking with me several weeks ago and providing the helpful links below. I sent a request for a verification in lieu of a certified copy of President Obama’s birth record to the Dept. of Health on March 30th. I was just wondering if you knew whether the request was received and how long it usually takes to process? Thanx.

Ken Bennett
Arizona Secretary of State

From: Jill T. Nagamine
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 5:39 PM
To: Bennett, Ken
Subject: RE: Link to Hawaii laws and the Department of Health webpage

Ken—

Thank you for this heads up. This is the first I heard of it. I will check with my client to see if they received your request.

Jill

Jill T. Nagamine
Deputy Attorney General
State of Hawaii

To: Jill T. Nagamine
From: Drake, Jim
Date: 05/01/2012 11:52AM
Subject: Request from the Arizona Secretary of State’s Office

Hello Jill. I just left you a brief voice mail message. I am wondering whether you can give me a ballpark timeframe on our request. As you know, the closer we get to November, the more my phone rings. I believe that having Hawaii’s response on hand might help to quell the inquiries! Thanks in advance. Jim

Jim Drake
Deputy Secretary of State

From: Jill T. Nagamine
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 5:11 PM
To: Drake, Jim; Bennett, Ken
Subject: Re: Request from the Arizona Secretary of State’s Office

Dear Mr. Bennett and Mr. Drake—

My apologies for not responding immediately. I have recently been away from my office a great deal, including today. My client, the Department of Health, has forwarded your request for verification of President Obama’s birth record to me. We need more information to substantiate that you are eligible to receive verification. Hawaii Revised Statutes, section 338-18(g), provides:

(g) The department shall not issue a verification in lieu of a certified copy of any such record, or any part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant requesting a verification is:

(1) A person who has a direct and tangible interest in the record but requests a verification in lieu of a certified copy;
(2) A governmental agency or organization who for a legitimate government purpose maintains and needs to update official lists of persons in the ordinary course of the agency’s or organization’s activities;
(3) A governmental, private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks confirmation of a certified copy of any such record submitted in support of or information provided about a vital event relating to any such record and contained in an official application made in the ordinary course of the agency’s or organization’s activities by an individual seeking employment with, entrance to, or the services or products of the agency or organization;
(4) A private or government attorney who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record which was acquired during the course of or for purposes of legal proceedings; or
(5) An individual employed, endorsed, or sponsored by a governmental, private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record in preparation of reports or publications by the agency or organization for research or educational purposes.

As the Secretary and I initially discussed, it appears that you might be eligible for verification of the record based on subparagraph (2), but we need to see what your authority is “to update official lists of persons in the ordinary course of your activities.” Will you send me a copy of your law that allows this, and will you send me information that shows:

(1) What list are you updating?
(2) Is it your normal procedure to update all entries on your list by requiring birth data verification?
(3) Are you requiring birth data verification of all entries on your list, rather than just targeting one name on your list? (please provide evidence that you are doing so)

You may address your response directly to me, and I will relay it to my client.

Thank you,
Jill T. Nagamine
Deputy Attorney General
State of Hawaii

From: Bennett, Ken
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:12 PM
To: Jill T. Nagamine; Drake, Jim
Subject: RE: Request from the Arizona Secretary of State’s Office

Dear Ms. Nagamine:

As the chief elections officer for the State of Arizona and pursuant to Arizona Revised Statutes, sections 16-212, 16-301, 16-502, 16-507 and others, my office is tasked with quadrennially compiling a list of candidates for the Office of the President of the United States. This list is then officially “certified” by my office and transmitted to the fifteen counties for creation of the official ballots. The list is generated in the “ordinary course” of my office’s activities (every four years) and it is certainly made for a “legitimate government purpose” (elections).

Based on the above representation, I believe that my office has strictly and expressly complied with all of the elements found in Hawaii Revised Statutes, section 338-18(g).

I understand your client’s initial trepidation in responding to this request given the significant amount of email, fax and phone call traffic that this issue has spawned. My office too has received numerous constituent requests and I agree with Director Fuddy’s assertion in her letter of April 25, 2011 that the sheer volume of inquires has “been disruptive to staff operations and have strained State resources.” However, I am concerned that a rejection of a request by another State’s chief elections official will dramatically exacerbate an already untenable situation.

Thank you in advance for your attention to this matter.

Sincerely,

Ken Bennett
Secretary of State

From: Jill T. Nagamine
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 3:38 PM
To: Bennett, Ken
Subject: RE: Request from the Arizona Secretary of State’s Office

Dear Mr. Bennett:

I am in receipt of your email dated May 17, 2012. As I have informed you and Mr. Drake, Hawaii law requires that for verification of a vital record the requestor must satisfy the requirements of section 338-18(g), Hawaii Revised Statutes, which provides:

(g) The department shall not issue a verification in lieu of a certified copy of any such record, or any part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant requesting a verification is:
(1) A person who has a direct and tangible interest in the record but requests a verification in lieu of a certified copy;
(2) A governmental agency or organization who for a legitimate government purpose maintains and needs to update official lists of persons in the ordinary course of the agency’s or organization’s activities;
(3) A governmental, private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks confirmation of a certified copy of any such record submitted in support of or information provided about a vital event relating to any such record and contained in an official application made in the ordinary course of the agency’s or organization’s activities by an individual seeking employment with, entrance to, or the services or products of the agency or organization;
(4) A private or government attorney who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record which was acquired during the course of or for purposes of legal proceedings; or
(5) An individual employed, endorsed, or sponsored by a governmental, private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record in preparation of reports or publications by the agency or organization for research or educational purposes.

I asked you for legal authority that establishes your right to obtain verification, and your email of May 17, 2012 provides me with references to Arizona Revised Statutes 16-212, 16-301, 16-502, 16-507, and unnamed others. These statutes seem to deal with election of presidential electors, nomination of candidates for printing on official ballot of general or special election, form and contents of ballot, and presentation of presidential candidates on ballot, but none, as far as I can tell, establish the authority of the Secretary of State to maintain and update official lists of persons in the ordinary course of his activities. I researched other sections of the Arizona Revised Statutes and was unable to find the necessary authority.

If I have missed something, please let me know. My client stands willing to provide you with the verification you seek as soon as you are able to show that you are entitled to it.

Thank you,
Jill T. Nagamine
Deputy Attorney General
State of Hawaii

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/ken_bennett_birther_hawaii_arizona_emails.php?ref=fpnewsfeed


6 posted on 05/22/2012 12:12:19 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: Crucial
It was for all my grandparents, they knew what it cost them and their families, how far they traveled and what they had to leave behind. They knew what it was worth.

No matter what your nationality, it's something you should be proud of.... even if you had to leave your birth place to become naturalized elsewhere!

All this is so of course... only if you have a wholesome and normal gratitude for a people and nation so generous that they accepted you in your illiterate poverty-only asking your allegiance in return.

7 posted on 05/22/2012 12:17:29 PM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Ladysforest

Man! Talk about stalling!


8 posted on 05/22/2012 12:20:43 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Unnngh! To many PDS people!)
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To: Ladysforest

I think Mr. Bennett is beginning to see the kind of roadblocks that have been established.

The difference is that Mr. Bennett has some real authority.

I predict that Mr. Bennett will be taken to court by the Obama election team, after he refuses to put Obama on the ballot.


9 posted on 05/22/2012 12:27:32 PM PDT by kidd
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To: US_MilitaryRules

After reading what Lady has graciously posted, I now FULLY understand why Hawaii is stalling.

Arizona is asking Hawaii to certify not just that Obama wa sborn there, but to certify the “facts” as already presented to the public. The date, time and hospital. Parental names and birthplaces. Every detail that would appear on the certificate of live birth.

Hawaii is stalling because there is not one single attorney in the Hawaii AGs office that is willing to risk their license to practice law by certifying alleged facts that they cannot verify and certify.

Hawaii will kick this can down the road and hope to run out the clock.


10 posted on 05/22/2012 12:29:03 PM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Not Romney - Not ever!)
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A lot of people need to go to jail over thisfraud , including the Hawaiian office that is stalling and Obama and Pelosi.


11 posted on 05/22/2012 12:33:47 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Red Steel

Since Hawaii is stonewalling, the next step for Mr. Bennett is simple.

Keep Obama off the AZ ballot and let the chips fall where they may.


12 posted on 05/22/2012 12:35:05 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

Oh yeah, they can stall better than anyone. Circular stalling.

“I know that you think you provided us with the answer, but we need you to show us why you think that you provided us with the answer.”


13 posted on 05/22/2012 12:36:57 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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Nagamine - ...but none, as far as I can tell, establish the authority of the Secretary of State to maintain and update official lists of persons in the ordinary course of his activities. I researched other sections of the Arizona Revised Statutes and was unable to find the necessary authority.

Nagamine and Hawaii are playing silly stupid games.

So Jill, why don't you show us where it says in Hawaiian law statute that Hawaii has to have an out-of-state law statute for you to legally comply with HRS 338-18(g)? Hmmmmmmmmm...Jilly? The Arizona Secretary of State has shown you his credentials and he has given you Jilly sufficient legal reasoning for the state of Hawaii to do their statutory duty in fulfilling HRS 338-18(g)(2).

These clowns in Hawaii are so full crap.

14 posted on 05/22/2012 12:37:33 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

Yes, I had no idea prior to reading through the whole exchange that he had asked for very specific verifications. Hehehehe.

I thought he just sent a floppy, weenie request for any old kind of verification that HI was comfortable giving him.


15 posted on 05/22/2012 12:40:42 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: kidd
I predict that Mr. Bennett will be taken to court by the Obama election team, after he refuses to put Obama on the ballot.

I'll bet you're right. I'll bet Eric the Red will be sending one of his EO nazi commando teams to Arizona to see if Bennett is engaging in "racial profiling" of Barry. Here comes another lawsuit against Arizona by the buffoons from the District of Corruption. Just throw it on the pile with the others, Eric! You maggot.

16 posted on 05/22/2012 12:40:42 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life. - Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas)
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To: Red Steel

linda lingle lied...
http://theobamafile.com/_eligibility/LingleLies.htm


17 posted on 05/22/2012 12:44:55 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: Red Steel; waterhill; ixtl
Drip, drip, drip....(((ping))).

It really is worth ready thru the email chain.

Unfrigginbelievable!!!!!!

18 posted on 05/22/2012 12:45:59 PM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist........, one more time..........)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry; Ladysforest

“Bennett addressed members of the Red Mountain Tea Party in Mesa on Monday night. He says he is working with officials in Hawaii to verify that President Obama was indeed born there.

Bennett says a conference call with Hawaii officials is scheduled for this week.”

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/18578355/bennett-obama-ballot-status


19 posted on 05/22/2012 12:56:42 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: ScottinVA
Since Hawaii is stonewalling, the next step for Mr. Bennett is simple.

Keep Obama off the AZ ballot and let the chips fall where they may.

Yes, then drag Pelosi Galore in and have her explain on what basis she swore that Barry was eligible in 2008.

20 posted on 05/22/2012 12:57:40 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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