When you turn sex into mere gratification and make it casual, even within marriage, you mess up your kids.
1) I don't see why "mutual gratification" within marriage is a bad thing. You love your partner, God created sex for married couples, and we have free will and conscience that elevates us above animals and their need to procreate at all costs. This line of thinking reads like "sex is dirty and nasty, but necessary for procreation, so just do it and get it over with!" Nonsense. God didn't give us that gift for us to be ashamed of it.
2) I'm honestly not getting the "mess up your kids" connection. Outsiders' constant advertising of promiscuity would have a far more negative impact on your kids than mom and dad enjoying each other within marriage.
The act is chosen. The orientation in many cases is not.
That's a valid point. It seems to me to be just another form of addiction or possibly manifestations of larger mental issues.
You, in fairness need to recognize that they have a harder time refraining from doing immoral homosexual acts.
Of course, with homosexuality as a form of addiction, this makes perfect sense. As with any other addiction, it should be recognized and treated. You'll never see people telling us to embrace alcoholism or drug abuse, but homosexuality...oh boy, you had better not condemn that one!
The fact is that I will never, EVER submit to homosexuality as "normal." It exists, it's a problem, people are slaves to it even though they believe themselves to be "free." It's destructive to the person and to the society. The Bible is crystal clear on the nature of homosexuality; there just isn't room for interpretation.
We can debate the finer semantic points of orientation vs. acts all day, but the homosexual mafioso in this country will have none of it regardless. They are normal, they are healthy, and they'll toss you in a thought-crimes prison to prove it.
Thank-you for the responses.
So that vision of Peter means do not impose impossible dietary laws and accept non-Jewish gentles.
You missed the “mere” gratification. Taking out the procreation has turned sex into mere gratification much (not all) of the time for a lot of people. It’s possible for married couples to merely use each other rather than selflessly love each other, unilaterally or mutually.
When they do, it messes them up (because it’s selfish). And if common, it will mess up kids’ attitudes toward sex.
We have a huge heterosexual problem in this country. It’s evident here on FR too. When sex becomes largely recreational, it messes people up. My hypothesis is that some of the rise in unchosen same-sex atraction arises from decades of messed up heterosexuality
and the messed up heterosexuality stems from the Pill (which made recreational sex possible for the first time. Sex could not be and was not recreational before that because it was so darn hard to get rid of the procreation possibility.)
Please don’t give me the “you think sex is dirty” meme. I simply said that absent the general awareness of procreation (not that every act has to be procreative), sex becomes recreational and tends toward mere (get that, mere) gratification. Not that every sex act automatically becomes recreational or merely gratificatory. But that as a whole, over the past 50 years, we have shifted from a fundamentally procreative view of sex to a fundamentally non-procreative view of sex.
And that, I’m saying, cannot not have had an impact on us in a wide variety of ways. One of them is messed up sexuality among kids and one kind of messed up sexuality is same-sex orientation.