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To: BlackElk; trebb; EternalVigilance; Windflier
Catholics do not share and never have shared the notion that if you've seen one sin you've seen 'em all.

Then you'd be denying the words that your church claims to have written, from a book it loves to quote from no less.

James 2:10-11 10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. 11 For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

It also shows a misunderstanding of forgiveness and grace. Salvation is not an on again/off again proposition based on works. It is a gift, freely given. Sin disrupts the lines of communication between us and God and has consequences, as God will not allow any child of His to continue in sin without dealing with him about it. But it does not cost us our salvation every time we sin.

If our salvation were based on works, Jesus would have had no reason to die and we'd have something to boast about in ourselves. Not to mention that it's well nigh impossible for any one person to be able to ask forgiveness for each and every sin they've committed as nobody can keep that kind of account. All it would take is missing confessing one sin and you're doomed.

God doesn't intend for us to live under that kind of cloud of fear and uncertainty.

377 posted on 05/20/2012 2:26:44 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

“It also shows a misunderstanding of forgiveness and grace. SALVATION is not an on again/off again proposition based on works. It is a gift, freely given. Sin disrupts the lines of communication between us and God and has consequences, as God will not allow any child of His to continue in sin without dealing with him about it. But it does not cost us our salvation every time we sin.”

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Catholic prophecy states..IS explicit and Protestant prophecy points to one thing. You will understand and “see”, I pray accept the faith at the Great Warning (Rev 6:12-17).

The Remnant is Roman Catholic.

Dear friend, you confused SALVATION with grace. Grace is the free gift. Jesus redeemed mankind -alleluia!-, He opened Heaven.

Salvation is
not a free gift.

Salvation -justification- is a past present and future act...like Scripture says, persevering until the end.

With the help of God’s grace and our free will choices to
follow God, both, that’s how you are saved.


382 posted on 05/20/2012 3:08:24 PM PDT by stpio
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To: metmom
Gathering as I do that your other name is not Benedict XVI, I am skeptical as to how you may have acquired the credentials to speak for God.

Those would be the words of the Epistle of St. James the Greater, an Apostle, one of the original Catholics, called by Jesus Christ Himself, a priest, a bishop, martyred at Jerusalem, and whose quite Scriptural Epistle was derided by that old Sola Scriptura Reformer as "an epistle of straw not fit for..." After all, the Great Reformer noticed that the Apostle James apparently disagreed with the nonexistent teaching magisterium or some other hallucinations of...., who else, the Great Reformer. My Church claims not that it wrote the Epistle of James but that James the Greater wrote it and, more accurately, that God wrote it using James as his scrivener.

I take it that you have some authority for your eccentric interpretation of James 2: 10-11??? I didn't think so. No one died and left you my theologian and a good thing too.

Next, hold onto your seat. I accept Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior. You may now applaud. This blazing insight did not require an altar call or anyone without apparent authority to say "come on down." It required only the common sense available to any Christian. If Jesus Christ is not my personal Lord and Savior, I cannot imagine who would be. That is an alternative too silly to contemplate.

Regardless of anything you may imagine, I still and to my dying breath will continue to understand that salvation is a matter of using Woody Hayes' Ohio State football strategy: three yards and a cloud of dust until it is time to go home at the end of my life. Like most (indeed all) Catholics with any reasonable degree of catechesis, I do not believe that salvation is achieved through works and I challenge you to show one example of any time when I have said otherwise here. I emphatically do NOT believe that the work of repeating the ritual words of "accepting Jesus Christ" etc. are an eternal get out of hell free card. Nor do I believe that someone who does that ritual but later turns out to be a rape-murderer or abortionist or a "gay" husband of a "gay" husband after the fact of "acceptance," just MUST not have been sincere in that work of acceptance. etc.

If you feel personally offended by any part of this post, I would remind you that, as a pro-life attorney, I represented plenty of evangelicals before criminal courts when they were kidnapped by police for the alleged "crime" of going right into the abortion mills, occupying the killing rooms, de-sterilizing the instruments, pouring raw eggs into the suction machines rendering them even greater public health threats than just to the babies they were designed to dismember and kill. Not only did I represent them and Catholics and some folks of no faith at all, but I took the trouble to interview each one (there were 1,100) at length so that I could represent each individual to the court, according to his or her beliefs rather than my own.

I have no resentment of most forms of Christianity, particularly that of Evangelicals, Evangelical Free Church, Missouri Synod Lutherans, Wisconsin Evangelical Synod Lutherans (even though they apparently believe the pope to be ex officio the AntiChrist). Southern Baptists and many others. What I DO resent is being nanny-nagged by people not Catholic as though they have some sort of "teaching authority" over us poor benighted ignorant Catholics. If I felt a need for your theological opinions, I 2would be sure to ask. A practical tip: Don't hold your breath waiting.

I won't speak for other Catholics, but I will say that, as for me, I have no reason and no intention to go running around on my knees before the reformed, pleading forgiveness for breathing. If I were that sort, I would have no business being here.

Also note that I have no problem supporting Tom Hoefling, my reformed brother in Christ for POTUS rather than the major party heathens. For the sensitive, that means neither Romney's Mormonism nor Obozo's apparent Congregationalism. They are heathens, regardless of denomination, for killing babies, persecuting my Church and thereby threatening yours too whatever it may be, supporting "gay" everything, being gun grabbers, etc., NO LESS!!!

In light of the foregoing, the rest of your post is incomprehensible gibberish. If that makes me somehow intolerant, have at it but that is what I believe and I ain't changing. This is a no Kumbaya zone.

394 posted on 05/20/2012 9:56:07 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey)
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