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To: Publius6961
No. By whatever reasons you conjure up THE CALIFORNIA EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM IS NOT FINE! I'm no longer buying excuses. The only criterion is results. If the educational system demands baby sitting and nothing else, all teacher and administrator salaries should be minimum wage. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Lol. You sound like me 30 years ago...exactly.
Continue to rant and rave, excusing no one for anything.

Then, check back in 10 years, see more of the world and see if you still bellyache (not a bad thing, P.) about how horrible the California school system is.

I can't get over how EXACTLY you sound like I did 30 years ago...part of the solution or part of the problem! NO EXCUSES!!!!! JUST BABYSITTING. Ah me.

Generally, the school is only as good as the students and parents. But, then what do I know? I've only been teaching in the California school systems for 43 years--ALL levels...and I've seen most of the world and even some of ITS schools.

18 posted on 05/19/2012 5:19:10 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

“But, then what do I know? I’ve only been teaching in the California school systems for 43 years...”

How did I know that was coming...


20 posted on 05/19/2012 5:32:04 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: cloudmountain
Generally, the school is only as good as the students and parents. But, then what do I know? I've only been teaching in the California school systems for 43 years--ALL levels...and I've seen most of the world and even some of ITS schools.

Teaching in California for 43 years AND seen most of the world.
You have my boundless admiration. That's AWESOME!

I raised three kids starting in 1960.
I worked in private industry 47 years.
I have not seen every country in the world, but a dozen countries on three continents (extensively; families there) is my modest achievement.
AND, I was ranting 30 years ago too, because all my children had been educated and I was still paying for an education system that that produces functional illiterates and ranks California what? 26th in the U.S.A.?

My main point is that the teacher's union approach to the problem is so long as they get twice what the job should be worth, they can put up with the hell of schools, so long as they also get special perks, tenure, andunconscionable retirement benefits. The problem starts there.

Just for grins... has any teachers union gone on a protracted strike to protest the leadership of the educational system, and the impossibility of teaching under those conditions? Even ONE? Anywhere?

Thought not.

23 posted on 05/19/2012 6:24:54 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("It's easy to make promises you can't keep" - B.H.Obama Feb 23, 2012)
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To: cloudmountain
Of course...you're a "teacher"..and you know more than anyone on this board.

Dumb us.....

26 posted on 05/19/2012 6:50:48 PM PDT by Osage Orange (God is my Co-Pilot.)
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