Oh brother: Yes, I agree, with out enough people with pale skin the country is doomed. No other race is capable of maintaining the greatness of America. Woe woe unto us {end searing sarcasm}
The problem has nothing to do with skin color. As far as I'm concerned there is only one race, the human race. The problem with minority groups is their exploitation as a dependency class. I fully believe race was just an excuse to achieve that. What we need to be worrying about is how to stop this march of government dependency. As the Julia ad from the Obama campaign shows they are trying to put all of America in the same boat that minorities predominately occupy.
I realize that part of what has changed these numbers are many of certain groups who receive federal aid based on the number of children they have coupled with different culture and religious beliefs are procreating at a faster rate. For instance large Hispanic families are quite common. This problem is not limited to one race, however, the problem is with the way of thinking. The same is true of immigration problems legal and illegal. From an economic perspective I find it hard to blame the minorities for making the rational income maximizing choice. Such choices right or wrong, are a common problem to us all. How many rich white business men have made similar choices and taken a short term personal gain and let others deal with the consequences.
Do you think we are headed towards some sort of genetic apocalypse, ala The Little Black Bag and The Marching Morons by Cyril M. Kornbluth because the white birth rate is lower than the birth rate of minorities?
What we need are men and women who love freedom regardless of the race. Our great land if she is to survive needs a change in the hearts of its citizens. A change of heart not limited to those that are white. We need politicians who quit pandering to any difference (race, wealth, gender, location) who insist on reporting the latest numbers on birth rates and demographics. Do we really care what color someones skin is? Not only no, but h*ll no!
P.S. Before folks begin bashing me as some sort of liberal troll check my record, I'm new here, but a died in the wool conservative. I'm just venting my frustration at conservatives playing the game the media hands them and labeling everyone. No hard hard offense meant.
Cowboy,
You seem like a nice fellow, but the fact is that race correlates strongly with many other characteristics. And while we can argue about the causes of this, two things should be accepted. One is that it’s unlikely that these differences are entirely a result of nurture. The other is that it doesn’t matter as much as you may think. The voting patterns show ZERO sign of changing.
Also remember what history shows: minorities generally don’t fare very well at the hands of a majority. Especially when that majority has been taught to hate them.
Do you really want to bank on the beneficence of the new majority? What do you think America will look like governmentally and socially when it looks like Mexico demographically.
I see you’re in Idaho. Maybe you need to live in southern CA for a while to place things in perspective.
Idaho Cowboy -
The fight you are bringing is the same one as between the “race realist” John Derbyshire and the more politically correct Conservative editor, Jonah Goldberg, of the National Review - who fired him a few weeks ago for a column he wrote about what White parents have to tell their kids about Black people.
Like other race-blind Conservatives you assert as “facts” opinions that don’t have a basis in reality. It is true that all Humans are Humans, but it is also true that the Black, White, Asian and other human races do exist. Race is not a social construct, it’s a biological one, which is why race can be easily determined with DNA and other medical tests.
Pit Bulls and Poodles are both of the same species, but no one would claim they are the same in capability or temperment.
There are large variations in individuals of different races. It would be stupid to say either “all Asians are short” or “there are no tall Asians”. But it would be equally stupid to say “Asians are as big as Europeans”. Race isn’t everything, but it’s not nothing, either.
The “propositional nation” is one of the theories of the NeoCons. “Everyone wants the same thing we want”. Hopefully, after our two wars in the Middle East, we can admit that not everyone values the same things we do.
Other groups value: their 9th century religion, their clan integrity, their indepndence of foreign influence, the supremacy of men over woman, the ability to marry their cousins, the habit of using boys for sex, and other strange proclivities of the tribes of Afghanistan and the people of Iraq.
What is “the proposition” that you imagine binds us together? “Freedom”? “The Pursuit of Happiness”? The truth is that when we were a strong vibrant nation we had huge majorities that shared a commone set of beliefs: we were Christian, we were devout, we were thrifty, we believed in hard work (”the Protestant work ethic” - when was the last time you heard that?) we admired the Founding Fathers, all of whom were men, most of whom were of British or Dutch stock.
We believed in fairness, truth and sobriety. We understood concepts like debt and credit and contracts and intellectual property.
All of this was a part of our heritage, our cultural heritage, but our racial heritage too. So we were a propositional nation, but we were an organic nation too.
Have you ever known any Western person to deeply immerse themselves in Japanese culture? Learn the very difficult language (not the childrens version Westerners are usually taught to get by, but the entire language with all of it’s hierarchy as spoken by native Japanese), and all of the cultural queues and habits of the Japanese. And, after all that for the few who do that - are they Japanese? No Japanese would say so.
So perhaps, if you agree with my analogy there are two types of nationalities: there are organic nations, like the Japanese of Irish, which are full of people who are genetically related and have a common culture and then there are synthetic nations that are made of up different groups slammed together. In 1950 America was still a syntheic nation but it was well on the way to becoming an organic one - with only the segregated Black minority still not assimilated.
Everything since then has made us much more a synthetic nation, one that people like you insist is based on “propositions” at the same time the leading institutions are actively destroying every common value and shared understanding we have: from “homosexuality is wrong” to “America’s founders where Great men”. So what comonality is left for us to “synthesize” the nation around.
As for your sarcastic claim that without enough white people we can’t maintain our civilization, that might make sense in Idaho to hold that view.
I’m from Detroit. Believe it or not Detroit was still a beautiful wonder when I was kid. After 40 years of black majorities and black rule it resembles parts of Africa. (I recently saw a slide show on Kinsasha circa 1965 when the Belgians still ran it, and today. It was errie the similarities.)
Propositional Nation Consevatives, like the NeoCons over at the National Review love to say “Democrats ran Detroit into the ground”, but, really, do even they believe it? I live in Portland, Oregon now. Dems have been in control here since the 1960s too, but it’s a wonderful vibrant city. A lot of the still prosperous and lovely suburbs of Detroit have had Democratic mayors as long as Detroit has, but are not in ruin.
One could say that Detroit is a special case, but then one looks at Jackson, Birmingham, Baltimore, Memphis, Flint and New Orleans. All majority black and black run cities. There is not a lot of existence proof from Black majorities creating stable, vibrant nations. There are about 40 nations in Africa. By most accounts the best one is South Africa.
I know you are well meaning, and you are preaching from the catechism we were all brought up believing in. But there’s a lot of counter-factual evidence to suggest that holding on to these ideals in the face of reality is a major part of our undoing as a nation.
If America were to go from 65% White today to 65% Middle Eastern in 2112 do you think it would be the same as if it went to 65% Hispanic? Would the laws, customs, morality, food, politics and education of kids born in 2112 still be representing “Traditional American Values”.
As a self-described conservative I would urge you to think more about what it is that you are trying to conserve, and what are the real (not idealistic) requirements to see those things conserved. If you are honest I think you will have to give up a lot of your “propositional nation” beliefs.
The pre-1965 immigration law had it right, a nation should preserve its heritage for its children any others may be welcome but only in small numbers. We have to stop being so chicken about talking about race.