Posted on 05/19/2012 6:13:21 AM PDT by Paladins Prayer
For a long time, the government has been driving an agenda that whites are the new minority. Since half of all Hispanics are white, it will be awhile before this statement is true.
Accepted, and thank you. BTW, if you haven’t seen the movie, the opening 10 minutes is priceless. It confirms that Idiocy is by no means solely owned by any race.
Cowboy,
Hate to break this to you, but the Declaration of Independence doesn’t determine reality. And by the way, the founders generally did not believe in the exact worldly equality of all races.
Also realize that world IQ charts do show a fairly profound difference among groups’ intelligence. Oh, this is all cultural bias? You may want to ask yourself why Asians score higher than whites, if it’s just because IQ tests were designed by whites, for whites.
It’s pretty clear that most differences among people are due to both nature and nurture. Only ideology can blind a person to this obvious truth.
Certainly not. Putting that truth aside, I suppose that Hollywood fiction is the guide for reality now?
An excellent article, well worth taking the time to read.
Here are some critical excerpts:
“Many will say in response to this that assimilation is the answer. Ah, it’s a nice dream.”
“Moreover, asking for assimilation becomes less logical all the time. After all, how is it a meaningful statement to say, “All people have to do is become American” when there’s no agreement on what it means to be American anymore?”
“The Western man has forgotten that a nation is essentially an extension of the tribe.”
“This is why, unlike most, I don’t expect America to ever become majority non-white.
Our republic won’t last that long.”
The last one is the most interesting. For some time now, in other postings here on FR, I have been suggesting that at some point we will see what amounts to a “Great Migration” of Euro-Americans, who will leave the “multicultural” areas of the country, and re-segregate themselves into “majority-white” areas. In time these “UNIcultural” areas of the country, perhaps entire states or groups of states, will reach a point where they become actively hostile to the federal government in Washington. We are currently seeing “hints” of that in the ongoing struggle between Arizona and the Obama administration.
At some point, the Euros are going to decide that they have to “take a stand” for their culture that is openly rebellious to what will become the “emerging hegemony” of the “multiculturals”.
This “last stand” may be peaceful, or it may be otherwise. But it WILL happen and will result in consequences that forever change the map of North America.
Finally, a quote that is NOT from the above article, and not written by me, either. It was posted in a reply here on FR (I forgot to save authorship, I only saved the quote). Perhaps the most cogent argument of all:
“ Ultimately a Conservative must either be a racial nationalist or cease being a conservative.
The only logical reason for conservatism is to preserve a genetic entity, a race, or a nation, intact - all other reasons given are mere circumlocutions. “
“The thought that only whites are conservative is frightening. I would hate to think my children would be excluded from that for their color.”
Not all whites are conservative.
But the overwhelming majority of conservatives are white.
I predict that this will not change in the future, your children notwithstanding.
“Hate to break this to you, but the Declaration of Independence doesn’t determine reality. And by the way, the founders generally did not believe in the exact worldly equality of all races.”
A very good observation.
Of course, everyone in this forum knows who wrote the words:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that ALL MEN are created equal...”
But do you know that the very SAME person also wrote THIS:
“Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate, than that these people are to be free; nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion have drawn indelible lines of distinction between them.”
Worth pondering...
I always classified morenos as white, but with better tans.
This is deceptive, to say the least.
America only has one “real” minority, who can be described as a “minority in perpetuity”. These are slave-descended black people, who strive to remain a minority, because they are caught up in feelings of oppression, racism, incapability, and entitlement. Because of numerous reasons, again all self inflicted, they may be dying out as a minority.
Otherwise, if you look what “white” means in America, it is as nonsensical a term as “Hispanic” or “Latino” for not meaning anything.
There are 50 internationally recognised sovereign states with territory located within the common definition of Europe. Within these are a vast number of distinct ethnic groups, languages, cultures, etc. Lump them all together, however, and the end result is “white”.
And lump them all together, mix with American Indian and Hispanic, and you end up with a “white” American. Unless one of the direct parents is Hispanic. Then you have a “white Hispanic”.
Oh, and Hispanic is just as diverse as “white” is.
As is Asian. And African.
So there you have America. A mostly mongrel nation, with a self described slave-descended black minority, who don’t even get along with Africans, who do not have all the SD black emotional and cultural baggage and craving for self destruction and entitlement.
So along with the mongrel whites, Hispanics mixing with mongrel whites, Asians mixing with mongrel whites, and a still relatively small number of Africans; you have the SD black minority, which is dying out.
The only problem here are those leftists like Bill Clinton who want to keep racial segregation.
Color is literally irreleant, except when selecting make-up tones and clothing colors, and --- OK --- computing optimal sun exposure. Members of my beloved family have roots in Asia and Africa, and so do members of my beloved America.
People: it's not "the color of skin", but "the content of the character." You know that.
“Otherwise, if you look what “white” means in America, it is as nonsensical a term as “Hispanic” or “Latino” for not meaning anything.”
That’s very nice, really. Hey, you know those black gangs that are assaulting whites all over the nation? If one of them accosts you, just tell them that the white designation is “nonsensical” and meaningless. While you’re at it - if you can still speak with the blood dripping down your throat - be sure to mention that race is just a “social construct.”
Unfortunately, yef, most of the world just doesn’t see things the way you do. And denying the reality of human nature is not only what liberals do, it’s disastrous.
That was a good comeback to Idaho Cowboy (post #26).
And I agree with your general thesis, i.e., it appears from what is happening that the prospects for America are quite bleak. I sure wouldn’t want to be a young person of the white persuasion right now.
Sounds like you need to re-read what I wrote instead of what you assumed I wrote based on the first half-sentence.
Even with your response, pointing out the obvious about black gangs, fails because the minorities that are increasing in the US are mostly Hispanic and Asian. And these people are not forming gangs to assault whites.
Heck, Spain “owned” most of Mexico, Central and South America. They pillaged and killed the indigenous Indians worst that the “white” Europeans. The Indians down there had whole cities and lots of gold. The American Indians just had land, no real material riches. The sold Manhattan for cheap beads. At least the “white” Europeans tried to compensate the American Indians for the land.
[Mr] T
Not me. Clinton's only saving grace was the economy, and that was due to factors he had nothing to do with like the tech jobs created by the advent of eccommerce and Y2K, not having to budget for the Cold War, and doing little in the WOT.
Clinton's failure in leadership may have costed us a chance to get Bin Laden bloodlessly, which both Bush and Obama have had to pay for. The MSM tries to frame the WOT as starting in 2001, but Bin Laden attacked us throughout the Clinton years, too. The MSM successully kept our attention off of Bin Laden's attacks and on all of those jobs created by ecommerce and Y2K, thus the memory of the "peace and prosperity of the Clinton years".
Take away the tech boom, throw in the cost of the WOT, and Clinton's economy would have been no better than Obama's. At least Obama made the call to get OBL when he had the opportunity, so I'll take him over Clinton.
Idaho Cowboy -
The fight you are bringing is the same one as between the “race realist” John Derbyshire and the more politically correct Conservative editor, Jonah Goldberg, of the National Review - who fired him a few weeks ago for a column he wrote about what White parents have to tell their kids about Black people.
Like other race-blind Conservatives you assert as “facts” opinions that don’t have a basis in reality. It is true that all Humans are Humans, but it is also true that the Black, White, Asian and other human races do exist. Race is not a social construct, it’s a biological one, which is why race can be easily determined with DNA and other medical tests.
Pit Bulls and Poodles are both of the same species, but no one would claim they are the same in capability or temperment.
There are large variations in individuals of different races. It would be stupid to say either “all Asians are short” or “there are no tall Asians”. But it would be equally stupid to say “Asians are as big as Europeans”. Race isn’t everything, but it’s not nothing, either.
The “propositional nation” is one of the theories of the NeoCons. “Everyone wants the same thing we want”. Hopefully, after our two wars in the Middle East, we can admit that not everyone values the same things we do.
Other groups value: their 9th century religion, their clan integrity, their indepndence of foreign influence, the supremacy of men over woman, the ability to marry their cousins, the habit of using boys for sex, and other strange proclivities of the tribes of Afghanistan and the people of Iraq.
What is “the proposition” that you imagine binds us together? “Freedom”? “The Pursuit of Happiness”? The truth is that when we were a strong vibrant nation we had huge majorities that shared a commone set of beliefs: we were Christian, we were devout, we were thrifty, we believed in hard work (”the Protestant work ethic” - when was the last time you heard that?) we admired the Founding Fathers, all of whom were men, most of whom were of British or Dutch stock.
We believed in fairness, truth and sobriety. We understood concepts like debt and credit and contracts and intellectual property.
All of this was a part of our heritage, our cultural heritage, but our racial heritage too. So we were a propositional nation, but we were an organic nation too.
Have you ever known any Western person to deeply immerse themselves in Japanese culture? Learn the very difficult language (not the childrens version Westerners are usually taught to get by, but the entire language with all of it’s hierarchy as spoken by native Japanese), and all of the cultural queues and habits of the Japanese. And, after all that for the few who do that - are they Japanese? No Japanese would say so.
So perhaps, if you agree with my analogy there are two types of nationalities: there are organic nations, like the Japanese of Irish, which are full of people who are genetically related and have a common culture and then there are synthetic nations that are made of up different groups slammed together. In 1950 America was still a syntheic nation but it was well on the way to becoming an organic one - with only the segregated Black minority still not assimilated.
Everything since then has made us much more a synthetic nation, one that people like you insist is based on “propositions” at the same time the leading institutions are actively destroying every common value and shared understanding we have: from “homosexuality is wrong” to “America’s founders where Great men”. So what comonality is left for us to “synthesize” the nation around.
As for your sarcastic claim that without enough white people we can’t maintain our civilization, that might make sense in Idaho to hold that view.
I’m from Detroit. Believe it or not Detroit was still a beautiful wonder when I was kid. After 40 years of black majorities and black rule it resembles parts of Africa. (I recently saw a slide show on Kinsasha circa 1965 when the Belgians still ran it, and today. It was errie the similarities.)
Propositional Nation Consevatives, like the NeoCons over at the National Review love to say “Democrats ran Detroit into the ground”, but, really, do even they believe it? I live in Portland, Oregon now. Dems have been in control here since the 1960s too, but it’s a wonderful vibrant city. A lot of the still prosperous and lovely suburbs of Detroit have had Democratic mayors as long as Detroit has, but are not in ruin.
One could say that Detroit is a special case, but then one looks at Jackson, Birmingham, Baltimore, Memphis, Flint and New Orleans. All majority black and black run cities. There is not a lot of existence proof from Black majorities creating stable, vibrant nations. There are about 40 nations in Africa. By most accounts the best one is South Africa.
I know you are well meaning, and you are preaching from the catechism we were all brought up believing in. But there’s a lot of counter-factual evidence to suggest that holding on to these ideals in the face of reality is a major part of our undoing as a nation.
If America were to go from 65% White today to 65% Middle Eastern in 2112 do you think it would be the same as if it went to 65% Hispanic? Would the laws, customs, morality, food, politics and education of kids born in 2112 still be representing “Traditional American Values”.
As a self-described conservative I would urge you to think more about what it is that you are trying to conserve, and what are the real (not idealistic) requirements to see those things conserved. If you are honest I think you will have to give up a lot of your “propositional nation” beliefs.
White western civilization/culture did not decide this. This was decided by your federal government, regardless of what you or others want.
Divide the united.
It's all part of the plan by the U.S. Government, U.N. and super wealthy globalist/world order types.
If history is any judge they are no better and no worse on a moral level. For a very brief span of recent history we have achieved a higher level of technology and living. Does that mean we are genetically superior?
Considering I said nothing about assimilating, I'm confused. But I'll say this. American Exceptionalism is a belief. Think of the immigrants that made America the great melting pot of the world. They came seeking freedom willing to work hard to get ahead. That's the American dream that's what makes America different.
That part of culture is what is missing. It's taught and handed down generation to generation, and its in danger today no matter what race of American you are. America is supposed to be the land where race and background don't matter where people can chart their own destinies. That's the dream and you can't pigeonhole people in hyphenated categories.
Are we as conservatives truly proposing we judge men not on their character, but on the color of their skin? Are we really smarter than Patrick Henry and the founding father's that longed for an end to slavery because they believed all men were equal. Do we really have more wisdom than Martin Luther King Jr.?
Joy Behar gloated on the View that we can no longer be called a white Christian nation. Well, I am in agreement with you, I think white Christians should have ten babies and teach each and everyone NEVER to vote Democrat as long as they lived.
White Christians should be telling their children that we need to increase our numbers—at least three children per family. And we need to start asking some tough questions of our Republican politicians of what they are doing to reduce legal immigration. Any Republican who falls back on that “we are a nation of immigrants” crap should be soundly booed. Why don’t we ask our “leaders” why European immigrants are being kept out of this country while everybody else is let in?
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