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I’m saddened by the redefinition of marriage - not just with the “male female” forumula...but from the standpoint of what marriage is...and isn’t...between man and wife.

I’m watching the 20 somethings closely and their view is completely different from what I was taught.

I was raised catholic, but my protestant friends had the same lesson....marriage is self sacrifice. Just as Jesus sacrificed Himself for the sake of His Bride...so we are called upon to sacrifice ourselves for our spouse and children.
So when difficulties arise - or arguments occur - that is something we were always able to focus on.

Today?
Marriage is about “happiness” and “self-fulfillment”
Self sacrifice sounds like slavery to them.
If it isn’t all fun and giggles every day, these kids think they aren’t “happy” and they head for the door.

So it isn’t surprising that you won’t see large families come out of this bunch...unless you are talking about many half siblings from many relationships.

Yeah, marriage can be about the happy stuff but it is also a way to show commitment when things go bad too, that latter is the real key.

I even admit in a legal sense, Obama is correct, such laws are left up to the States since the Constitution is silent on marriage. I even have no trouble with civil unions or even if a few States vote for same sex marriage although I'm sure the vast majority would retain traditional marriage. I'm just speaking in a legal sense here.

I just don't like equating same sex marriage with traditional marriage, it just goes against common sense. I guess if a State has a libertarian approach to it and stays out of marriage altogether, if a same sex couple want to see themselves as marriage, well, so be it but don't force me or others to see it the same way. I just see the whole mess as a way to get more benefits from the government and private sector. I think that is why it is being forced on us. The thing that chaffs my hide is that if you're for traditional marriage, you're a bigot. I have gay friends, even a couple who consider themselves married, and we just agree to disagree. We don't demonize one another. Actually, this issue is also being used as a diversion to take away from the problems we face with the economy to Iran with atomic capability.

I know to some people, my position may be a little too moderate in a few places (although if we as a people vote on it here in Pennsylvania, I'd vote to keep marriage traditional), but even then, I'm considered a heretic to the left. I don't care.

If two guys want to be gay together, fine, but keep it private. Gays have the same rights to access the American Dream via their own merits and skills just like anyone else. Same with housing and so on, in fact, there are quite a few places, like Detroit, where the gays can improve the neighborhood, they keep their places up well and clean. Still if they want to change the marriage laws, work within the legislative system and so on. We have the same rights and tools to oppose it. I'm willing to compromise on civil unions, but marriage, no.

I'm basically "live and let live," and we all need to work together and fix this country even with some of our differences. Just don't use the power of the judges and out of control executive branch to force it on society. If they want to see true bigots, go to the old USSR, if you were gay over there and get caught, you face 8 years braking rocks in the gulags. Worse, if you go to Iran or Saudi Arabia, you get hanged or stoned. Hey, I'm not for same sex marriage, but I'm still willing to be friends.

I think overall, we do need to strengthen traditional marriage too and foster a system where one can raise a family.

Lastly, I hate it when they say, "it is a civil right." Everything to the left is a civil right. Do I have a civil right to a house, car, color TV, playstation, utilities, gas, sex, high end stereo system and so on? Now the stupid NAACP fell into the same sex marriage is a civil right.