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To: Tublecane
Okay, they are free to do so. But if they want to get him off, they’ll have to convince the jury that it was justifiable homicide, and in order for it to be justifiable homicide he must have reasonably feareed for his life and/or bodily safety.

It ought to, in principle, simply be necessary to inform the jury that they need to find that this homicide was NOT justifiable, beyond a reasonable doubt. That the task before them is NOT to find some better than likely excuse for it.

240 posted on 05/18/2012 12:43:57 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“It ought to, in principle, simply be necessary to inform the jury that they need to find that this homicide was NOT justifiable, beyond a reasonable doubt. That the task before them is NOT to find some better than likely excuse for it.”

That indeed does seem the way it ought to be, but I’m not sure. I thought I heard that in order to be immune on the basis of self-defense you have to argue that you were in reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death, and to do so you had to present evidence of some sort demonstrating that in your situation a reasonable person would be in fear.

I could see why you wouldn’t want juries to presume people were in fear for their lives, because justifiable homicide, though necessary, should be strictly reserved for cases that deserve it. Maybe practically speaking there is no way to distinguish between those who genuinely fear for their lives without having started fights in the first place from than to require the defense to assert positively that that was the case.


248 posted on 05/18/2012 1:15:24 PM PDT by Tublecane
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