Posted on 05/16/2012 7:52:16 PM PDT by Kevmo
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Kickstarter?
cold fusion is only 30 years away!
I hear that every 10 years for the last 40 years.
A Visit to MIT
May 12, 2012
http://ecatnow.com/2012/05/12/a-visit-to-mit/
Many thanks to Barry Simon for submitting this report of his visit to MIT to meet Dr. Peter Hagelstein and view Dr. Mitchell Swartz’s NANOR LENR device.
Hi all,
I went to MIT yesterday. My wife and I were scheduled to play music at a spring fair at the college. I sent Peter Hagelstein an email asking if I could see him and the Cold Fusion device, and to my surprise I got a welcome reply. To top it off he graciously said he could give me 30 minutes. For two days prior I tried to think of pertinent questions. I was hoping to videotape the whole thing, but he asked that we just talk without the camera running. However he did allow me to video the CF device. Like the “EverReady Bunny” it has been running continuously since January. It is sealed so it has not been refueled. It is putting out between ten to fourteen times more energy than its input. I was surprised that it does not produce steam. Apparently it is quite different than A Rossi’s Ecat since it uses palladium and is small. It is in a plastic bin (making the inner works hard to see) with all sorts of measuring devices hooked up to it. PH said he couldn’t open the bin because the temperature measurements were dependent on it being contained. I asked if he would mind if I put the 30 second video on YouTube, and he thought it would be the right thing to ask Michael Swartz of Jet Energy. I sent an email off to him when I got home. (see earlier post) Mitchell Swartz mentioned this in his reply: “… the setup at MIT has been measuring “heat after death” these last two weeks, with no additional electrical input power.” I’m not exactly sure what that means.
PH said his son is about to videotape an interview with him. Not sure when this will be out.
We talked for about forty five minutes. He is by no means an egotistical person, and for me personally it was great to have all my questions answered. My first question was: Is LENR now repeatable science? If you emailed detailed directions to someone in Japan, could they build a replica and get the same results (10 – 14 times the output)? To my discouragement he answered “Yes and no.” (I was hoping for a resounding “Yes!”) He explained (and I can only paraphrase) how different samples of palladium react differently, and right now the sample they are using is quite effective. There are other factors as well.
I asked whatever happened to the “Patterson cell,” and he mentioned the same phenomenon as above. It seemed when Patterson made his minuscule beads, one batch worked great but he didn’t seem to be able to produce more and get the same results. I wonder if this same phenomenon is what happened to F&P. perhaps they were fortunate enough to find an effective metal, for reasons not yet understood, where others tried to repeat and the palladium was not as conductive. (James Patterson died in 2008. George Miley claims he has reproduced a version of the Patterson cell.)
I asked about the politics at MIT thinking there would be a great divide between the Hot Fusion and the Cold Fusion people (on the web they seem as polarized as Republicans and Democrats). He implied there isn’t that much tension between the two. I assumed tension between the two was why the donated research money got returned by a higher- up at MIT, and he told me the physicist who returned the money just does not believe in Cold Fusion because it is against everything he was taught.
And all you skeptics out there will be glad to know he said skepticism is a good thing.
I asked (I wanted to hear it from someone like him) if it is true that LENR has the potential to reduce nuclear waste into a harmless waste product and he said “Yes.” I asked if it will be able to desalinate salt water so it can be used for irrigation in arid countries and he said “Yes.”
I asked about people visiting MIT to see the “Nanor,” and he said for people to email him first. I feel lucky I got in to talk to him and see the CF device. It all seemed quite sychronistic. But I would discourage curiosity seekers. He is a busy man and seems to thoroughly enjoy research, though I think some of you rocket scientist type people would not have a hard time getting an interview.
I tried to take notes and carry on a conversation at the same time. Not my strong point. An experienced interviewer would find a treasure trove with Peter Hagelstein.
I feel a little uncomfortable paraphrasing all of this. I don’t have the technical background that many of you have. My only Physics teacher in High School was narcoleptic (I’m not joking). We used to sit in class wondering if we should wake him up or not. I didn’t learn much that year.
At the end I told him how I hang my hopes and dreams on LENR and he said “All technologies are like a double-edged sword. They can be used for good or evil.”
I wrote in once to Frank that he might not want to quote a source who just gives an Internet name. My name is Barry Simon from Massachusetts, USA. (I am not Barry Simon the famous mathematician, but Barry Simon the not so famous musician) Peace and Light
So burn Food and like it!
That’s a neat trick, since P&F only published their results 23 years ago.
I have a little question for Dr. Hagelstein, a stupid question I'm sure, in as much as I don't come from MIT. My question is this:
"Hey Dr. Hagelstein, why not just walk down the hall to where they do all those wonderful computer models that show that global warming is caused by a few parts-per-million of extra CO2 in the atmosphere, and how those few ppm are so sure to cause life on Earth to come to an end, and they're so sure of their results that we must bankrupt ourselves and live in caves if we are to survive...
"Why not simply go over to their lab, where they have these mighty computers that can simulate the whole atmosphere of the Earth, and all the plants and animals on the Earth and swimming in the oceans, and say "hey guys, do you think you could simulate some hydrogen atoms that have been sorbed into the surface of a piece of palladium metal."
It'd be great, Dr. Hagelstein, cause not only would it be falling-off-a-log easy for these whole-planet-simulator guys to get you your answer for a few thousand Pd atoms and a few dozen hydrogens atoms (those are real easy to simulte, but you know that), but it would probably go a long way toward cheering them up... you know, lift their mood some. This is because they're always so down-in-the-dumps about the world coming to an end, and their kids not having anywhere to live cause Earth's kaputski, and it's all because of those awful fossil fuels and all those nasty carbon atoms. Why, if they get the results that some of the lab work seems to suggest they might, the whole fossil-fuel thing might turn into a fossil itself! And wouldn't that be grand!
Just a thought.
(steely)
I am going to go play with the alignment of magnets, someday I’ll get it right...
"They" are doing things ~ catalytic things ~
"They" are doing other things as well ~ just reading through one of those news stories about graphene filtering hydrogen out of water (but not all the hydrogen, just that of a certain atomic weight) I noticed a reference to iron hydride and the core of the Earth.
Not that it was terribly meaningful, but now that they've figured out how some of the catalytic conversions take place earth scientists are taking another look at the old question of what keeps the core hot.
The iron hydride compound they believe forms our core was compared to palladium in terms of hydrogen absorption capacity.
You mean “hot fusion” ~ it’s been 30 years away for the last 67 years!
So, then... ask him.
Peter L. Hagelstein
Associate Professor of Electrical Engineering
Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
Room 36-570
77 Massachusetts Avenue
Cambridge, MA 02139
plh@mit.edu
617.253.0899—Tel
617.258.7864—Fax
Energy Production and Conversion
I have suggested to Dr. Hagelstein that he invite scientists from NIST in to examine the device’s performance. If ANY government agency is qualified to undertake an examination of measurements taken, they are “IT”.
What is MIT’s problem? They keep beating the same drum; are they losing funding due to LENR (I’d prefer to not use CF) is that the reason?
Any positive results from the conference from April 14th?
No news from Defkalion, I wonder if they are having money problems? No news from Rossi either. I was hoping for something; I don’t need to see a Mr. Fusion, I just want proof it works and so institutions like MIT can’t control the debate.
Almost certainly. I saw a news squib that said that Obama has recently suggested cutting $2 million from the MIT "hot fusion" budget.
"Any positive results from the conference from April 14th?"
I think there have been, but I haven't seen any definitive reports. The videos of the talks are available online, but they are an hour and a half long....EACH. I just don't have the time to watch'em (not to mention that my bad hearing makes "watching" difficult). Hopefully, English transcripts will be available "eventually". Not even videos from the NASA conference, much less transcripts.
"No news from Defkalion, I wonder if they are having money problems? No news from Rossi either. I was hoping for something; I don’t need to see a Mr. Fusion, I just want proof it works and so institutions like MIT can’t control the debate."
Actually, there is some slight news from both, but none that address the scientific questions. Defkalion has released photos of their "under contstruction" production facility, and Rossi has given some interviews to the same effect. Eventually, the resistance "dam" is going to break.
You know, I wanted to go to MIT so bad, in my mind, they were the #1 in engineering schools; unfortunately, health circumstance stopped that idea right quick. They’re the ones whose lab created the inertial guidance computer for Apollo.
Now, they’re just playing politics with their hands out.
So much for science being number one. I can understand funding issues but the things they’ve done to people in the LENR/LANR area that are just downright sleazy.
I was hoping for some serious data from that April 14th confab. Especially since Francesco Piantelli had his Nickle reactor running without the catalyst Rossi says he needs.
Is MIT playing a fake? Downplaying LENR while they internally work on it to be first? I don’t have a problem with that but I do have a serious problem with them destroying scientist’s in the process. Uggh...
My son to the rescue! He is going to MIT in September to study physics, and he is a LENR believer! However, one of his closest his friends is already there, and he is very anti-LENR. I will have a bit of an inside look at this and I will report if I ever hear anything interesting.
Your son is obviously incredibly intelligent. I wish him the very best.
Cold, Hot it does not matter.
MSM will run anything when they need ratings.
kind of like fishing for idiots.
ooh they have a bite!
In the form of stellar fusion it's been around for quite a long time.
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