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To: Jedidah

I spoke to some engineering manager for Intel I met over the weekend. He said that hiring someone on an H1B1 visa actually costs the company $100,000 per hire because of all the legal expenses and that they would prefer to hire domestically, but there aren’t enough domestic applicants. I don’t know if it’s true, but that’s what he said, and he is involved in hiring engineers.


41 posted on 05/16/2012 10:45:23 AM PDT by Bizhvywt
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To: Bizhvywt

Over the previous year, the United States lost 19,740 computer jobs, 107,200 engineering jobs, and 243,870 science jobs, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. In spite of massive job losses, industry has managed to use up the entire quota of H-1B visas, most of which went to foreign workers in these fields. It is likely over 100,000 H-1B visas were given out this year.

In most of America, these grim figures would end any debate on the need to import more cheap foreign labor. In a Washington that is completely beholden to lobbyists and industry campaign cash, they find ways to look the other way. As GOP Rep. Tom Davis of Virginia says, “This [H-1B] is a very important issue for the high-tech executives who give the money.”

D.C. is filled with mills that produce bogus studies to provide Congress with rose-colored glasses that deprive reality. Some studies spin H-1B workers as “entrepreneurs.” Others make absurd job claims, such as that each H-1B worker creates six additional jobs (Do the math here: With around 100,000 H-1B visas a year, that would make H-1B the single largest job creation factor in the economy.)

In fact, the opposite is true. The largest users of H-1B visas are foreign offshoring companies. They use H-1B visas to provide on-site support for projected moved to other countries. In that model, each H-1B worker here is a proxy for even more jobs lost.

In spite of a long parade of damning audits on the H-1B program, Congress has done nothing to clean up the mess. Deliberate loopholes in the law allow employers to replace Americans with lower-paid H-1B workers. Working in the computer industry, I have witnessed employers openly replacing hundreds of Americans with cheaper worker on H-1B visas.

H-1B supporters rarely forget to remind the public that the statute requires H-1B workers to be paid “the prevailing wage.” They invariably forget that, 20,000 words later, the statute redefines the term “prevailing wage” in such a manner that an employer can legally pay a software engineer in Edison, N.J., $34,133 a year less than the median wage.

How is it possible that Americans can be fired in their own country, be replaced with foreign workers, and Congress does nothing for decades? H-1Bs, bailouts to Wall Street, and subsidies to politically connected business are all symptoms of the same problem: a government that is controlled by special interests that are antithetical to those of the American people.


42 posted on 05/16/2012 10:53:00 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Bizhvywt

YES, it’s true.

YES, encourage your kids to study science and engineering if they’re good students.

Contrary to some of what you’re reading on this thread, there is a great demand for highly skilled tech workers on American soil. Not every job can be or is being exported.

One of my kids was recently caught in a company layoff, the company involved in an industry that Washington is crippling. He had multiple job offers, no trouble at all finding good work. He’s an engineer. Tell your kids to go for it. That engineering education will serve them well, even if they go into other fields. The critical and analytical thinking is attractive across industries.


49 posted on 05/16/2012 11:06:21 AM PDT by Jedidah ("In those days Israel had no king. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.")
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To: Bizhvywt

“He said that hiring someone on an H1B1 visa actually costs the company $100,000 per hire because of all the legal expenses and that they would prefer to hire domestically, but there aren’t enough domestic applicants.”

I’ve heard the same nonsense from one of the largest accounting firms; they were importing foreigners when there is absolutely no shortage of accounting majors here in the US. They got to pay them less, and work them 7 days a week while they were sponsored - that is why they preferred them to Americans.


54 posted on 05/16/2012 11:14:27 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Bizhvywt
"costs the company $100,000 per hire because of all the legal expenses"

Sure, the instant transaction (the hiring) costs more, but in the long run, for the company, it more than pays for itself since the H1B's are more controllable (via sponsorship agreements), and probably less demanding of raises - I'm guessing break-even in <5 years.

In reality, it probably isn't even 5 years since the legal work is probably pipelined to law firms that donate heavily to political candidates that sponsor H1B legislation, and support other regulatory favors.

Crony capitalism at it's finest!

No wonder so many American kids are pursuing political science and law degrees instead of PhD's in quantum mechanics.
64 posted on 05/16/2012 11:53:36 AM PDT by indthkr
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