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Posted on 05/15/2012 4:56:08 PM PDT by xzins
http://www.c-span.org/mobile/video.aspx?id=10737430669&vid=3
Video of Virgil Goode Appearance on Washington Journal
"Where was I on the bailouts? I voted against them. McCain...voted for; Obama...voted for. Where was I? One of 65 who opposed..."
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I guess you missed the part where I said work to elect TEA Party candidates at every level in order to re-make the GOP from the inside. That will ensure a better slate of candidates for future primaries. In the meantime elect Romney as the place holder and elect enough Conservative Congress critters to keep him in line. Vote Romney or elect Obama-that is the choice!
The GOP-no choicers would have you believe that the republican party is changeable. I disagree.
What happened when they had majority in the Congress with a working majority in the House and a veto-proof majority in the Senate?
Spending exploded.
I contend that it’s time to strengthen the building of a real conservative party or to found a real conservative party.
That is why a vote for Goode is not a wasted vote. It’s the beginning of a building process for each person who signs on.
If our system provided for a run-off when no candidate receives a majority of the vote, I’d vote for a conservative for President on Election Day.
Since it doesn’t, we conservatives are stuck with either choosing the lesser of two evils (again) or splitting the anti-ObaMao vote which, in the end, helps him win a second term.
As for any who claim there’s not enough difference between “liberal” Willard and the MARXIST Kenyan, I suspect they utterly fail to appreciate the gravity of this abomination whose name is Obama.
see #114 and #122
As one of the GOP-nc’s, you have made the mistake of letting a man you think is liberal know that you’re supporting him no matter what.
Now, if you’re a used car salesman, and I walk on the lot and tip my hand that I want Car Y no matter what, then what does that do to my ability to negotiate with the salesman over price and concessions?
That is the unvarnished truth, Elk. Preach it whether they listen or not.
Now, the only experienced, known conservative running is Virgil Goode.
The logic is based on the assumption, from judgement, that either Romney or Obama will be the next president. Your actions are conditioned on this. Do you disagree with this assumption?
The issue is potential and building a conservative party.
If you can do that, you can do it - easier and quicker - within the GOP. If you can't do it there, you can't do it with a third party either.
Your candidate is on his fourth party affiliation. He's been a loser in most of them. It wouldn't surprise if he switched again next year to run for some other office.
Instead, this year, he could have run for president in the GOP primary, if he really wanted a real shot a being a conservative president. He could have been on the ballot, could have been in the debates, built and run a national compaign - instead of lobbying for 200 votes at some third party convention.
And, if he won, he could now be campaigning against Obama instead of campaigning against Obama's opponent.
He could have done something constructive, and not be working now, intentionally or unintentionally, to help keep the current regime in power.
People who support socialists tend to be helmet wearing members of the short bus community.
The fact that there are two possible outcomes doesn't change the fact that both possibilities are bad.
As I have said before, if Romney wins, the only difference will be that the destruction of America will occur under the guise of "severe conservatism", "the Republican party" and "Capitalism" and will have the support and approval of D-fendr.
Principals are supposed to be timeless and universal. Because of worldly circumstances you have been tricked into abandoning your principals and advocating for a PRO-ABORTION, PRO HOMOSEXUAL, ANTI-LIBERTY, ANTI-GUN, ANTI-FREE MARKET candidate.
How low would you go? What if it was a convicted child rapist running against Obama? Would you still pick the lesser of two evils?
As the song says...You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything.
I wont be voting for romney.
There ia another choice...
Convince enough delegates at the convention to abstain from the first vote. Then we have ALL the choice we need.
If you refuse this tactic, you are nothing more than a romney hack and closet socialist. Or... Just ignorant or maybe, just allergic to confrontation. coward?
Romney does NOT have to be our candidate. I dont give a F what his UNOFFICIAL delegate count says... The CONVENTION is all that matters.
It is no vice to use procedural tactics to save the party and the union.
you are nothing more than a romney hack and closet socialist. Or... Just ignorant or maybe, just allergic to confrontation. coward
Are all Goode backers reduced to calling total strangers names? Is resorting to Dem tactics the best you can do? When you are losing resort to name calling and personal attacks? All because someone thinks voting for a guy who can get elected to replace Obama is preferable to voting for a fringe candidate who couldn’t hold his seat. Pitiful!
Well, I think we have a fundamental difference here.
I don’t equate Romney with Obama. Not even close. I think the comparisons to Saddam and child rapist is over-the-top hyperbole resulting in false premises leading to false conclusions.
My goal, or hope, in this election is a legislature that will pass conservative legislation and a president who will sign it. The latter is possible with Romney, impossible with Obama.
Much of our problems are set in motion by the Obama regime. It must be stopped. This means that if Obama is re-elected, stalemate is not enough, there must be roll back.
Much of the disagreement on this board can be summed up as: One side believes the other underestimates the harm that Obama’s re-election will do; one side believes the other underestimates the harm that a President Romney will do.
I think our disagreement can fall in this summary as well.
Thank you very much for your courteous reply.
It most clearly describes my views in this election.
It is only 16 minutes long. If you haven't seen it it's worth your time.
thanks again.
What is your plan to accomplish this - particularly with the Romney delegates?
I think it would be fairly simple to “convince” enough of the delegates to abstain from the first vote if we had the help of more prominent members/leadership within the GOP.
However, even without the help of those folks we could still find out who the delegates are and launch a coordinated effort to convince them to simply abstain from the first vote.
Winners find ways to win... Losers find ways to lose...
I don’t think it would be simple to convince the Romney delegates which would be necessary to accomplish the goal.
I’m still not sure of your plan here, but let me know if one congeals.
The other question is who would the delegates agree on for the notRomney candidate; would this person accept; would you and others accept them?
Im not a goode supporter...
I think attempting a third party is a losing strategy.
However, I KNOW that putting up with progressives in the GOP (GOP-E) and nominating a socialist as our candidate is a suicidal strategy and I will NOT go along with it.
If we are to purge socialism from our institutions then we are going to need a start with one of the two parties in this country. Although the socialists already have their talons in the republican party it is still far more realistic to attempt to purge it and use it to wield OUR agenda than to attempt to takeover the Democrat party. This is the first thing we MUST accomplish before we can even engage the socialists in the democrat party on the national level. When I say engage, I MEAN it. Not the bullsh— civility , good sport , gentleman crap... I mean a relentless, unforgiving, endless assault from every conceivable angle (personal, political, professional, etc) on every last socialist POS within every last institution of every last level of government and media.
I want all out war with these M’er F’ers but Ill settle for an all out unmitigated political and propaganda war. To accomplish either, we MUST have a political party that is PURGED of socialists and their sympathizers first. Therefore the VERY FIRST battle of this war will be the battle of the republican party. Its our D-day... Omaha beach... or battle of midway... We cant win the WAR unless we win this battle. We cannot fight the wider war with the republican party infested with socialists/ progressives/ statists and throwing grenades into our tents as we sleep.
THIS is why its more important to me to concentrate on purging the GOP of socialists before concentrating on the socialists in the DEM party. THIS is why I will fight romney and the GOP-e tooth and nail every step of the way... We cant keep going this way if we want to be free of the tyranny our government has become. There is no better time than NOW to take this stand...
Why now? Because the GOP is finally on the cusp of nominating a socialist and because if we don’t beat the socialists in the dem party this year the consequences will be disastrous for the population. So... Its the perfect opportunity to use this “perfect storm” of events to make an ultimatum... Either the GOP is purged of socialists and we nominate someone who is a limited government “conservative” or face the “Armageddon” of reelecting Zero and his merry band of socialists. Either way, the republican party is going to be purged of its infestation... One way is BEFORE this years election, the other way is by an angry and desperate population AFTER the consequences of reelecting the democrat socialists hits home.
I would rather it be before or during the convention for obvious reasons, but Ill settle for after the election if necessary. NOTHING is more critical than purging the GOP of socialists... NOTHING....
You dont need all of them. Just enough to keep him even one short of the total required. It can be done, with the right encouragement.
As far as who would it be if not him... Dunno, but Im sure it wouldn’t be Romney in the end. It would be a healthy exercise to hammer out a nomination that all conservative could get behind. As long as the nominee isn’t a socialist, big government statist. Ill be able to stomach voting for him.
Granted, it wouldn’t be easy, but nothing worth it ever really is. You just have to be willing to put yourself through it and do it.
They certainly are over-the-top. They are meant to establish the principal that there is a "bridge too far". There is a point to which patriotic Americans should not sink. There are some candidates that no matter how bad their opposition should not be supported by right minded people. Once you agree to that point then we need to determine where that line is. For me, it would be a pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, anti-gun, anti-liberty, anti-free market candidate. What would be your line? My guess is that your line is different today than it was 10 years ago. Where will it be in 10 years from now? When will you take a stand and say that the continual decline of the GOP will no longer determine where you keep re-drawing your line?
My goal, or hope, in this election is a legislature that will pass conservative legislation and a president who will sign it. The latter is possible with Romney
I don't know what would make you think that was possible. In my estimation it would be about as likely as a 3rd party candidate winning the general election. What would compel these career politicians and members of the GOP-e to pass "conservative" legislation? It certainly won't be fear of the conservative base. Furthermore, what would you define as "conservative" legislation?
I thank you for a good discussion.
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