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Obama Seeks Sovereignty Surrender Via LOST Treaty
IBD Editorials ^ | May 8, 2012

Posted on 05/09/2012 2:38:14 PM PDT by raptor22

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To: House Atreides

Lugar is not gone yet. Won’t be gone until January.


21 posted on 05/09/2012 7:31:48 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I know and that worries me. I suspect he’s not going to be a patriot during his lame duck status and he’s going to go full-bore internationalist. A truly despicable creature judging by his concession speech.


22 posted on 05/09/2012 7:55:18 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: raptor22
Assuming we could ever elect a geniune, conservative, patriotic, pro-American president (definitely not 0dumb0shit or Romney for that matter), than this would be the easiest decision to make........ SCREW YOU LOST TREATY & the UN! We gotta have a president with balls who will tell these globalists to f__k off and if they persist in trying to enter our territorial waters or interfere with fishing fleets, just use our navy to blow these globalist bastards to smithereens.

"But its' a treaty with the UN signed by 0dumb0shit (or GW Bush)"

Good, even more reason to blow these globalist UN bastards to smithereens!

23 posted on 05/09/2012 8:26:21 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: raptor22

Treaties are said to be inviolable. This is incorrect. Treaties cannot change the fundamental structure of the Constitution. Constitutional rights, such as (but not limited to) the Bill of Rights, cannot be changed by treaty. Because if that were possible, then the entire Constitutional process for amending the Constitution, as well as the fundamental philosophical structure of the Constitution, would be vulnerable to sabotage outside of Constitutional process - supposedly BY a Constitutional provision. But legally, you cannot have conflicting Constitutional laws, nor redundancies. So treaty powers have to be interpreted as secondary to established Constitutional provisions, and subject to pre-existing Constitutional oversight. Otherwise the entire Constitution ends with the phrase “or you can just toss it all out if you feel like it.”

No.


24 posted on 05/09/2012 11:31:31 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: rlmorel

“I know the US Navy is not the one I served in nor the one my dad served in, but how, HOW could they support this?”

Clinton turned the military into a career in which one has to play ball with the libtards to be promoted.

Do you remember the incident in which a group of around a dozen Marine generals left in protest, and were told by the Clinton administration that if they spoke out their retirement benefits would be taken away?

To correct the situation we would have to get rid of pretty much all the perfumed princes. We would be promoting people from 0-4 to 0-10 until things settled out and got back on an even keel.


25 posted on 05/10/2012 5:11:09 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Ouderkirk

“a right of denunciation or withdrawal may be implied by the nature of the treaty.”

How about a right of denunciation implied by the size of our military?


26 posted on 05/10/2012 5:16:16 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

I shudder to think of the USN getting into a shooting war, if that is the case.

I saw that “Carrier” thing on PBS a few years ago, and it was appalling. Simply appalling. It wasn’t all roses when I was in, and there was a lot of things I disliked, but watching THAT made me shudder.


27 posted on 05/10/2012 6:14:10 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: dsc

And I do remember that incident. May he and his ilk rot in hell.


28 posted on 05/10/2012 6:15:01 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: Boogieman

Well, I know it has to be ratified, but that it is even being considered is extremely disturbing to me, that we have people running our government who would GIVE away our sovereignty.


29 posted on 05/10/2012 6:16:53 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: Carry_Okie

Anyone who doubts the mischief that can be done by the Senate ratifying treaties should Google “desertification treaty” and see how the late Wyoming Senator Craig Thomas was supposedly “tricked” in allowing this harmful treaty to become US law in a late night session.

See www.wnd.com/2000/12/5447/


30 posted on 05/10/2012 8:05:15 PM PDT by StopGlobalWhining (Buy a US Govt Railpass to visit Obamavilles in all 57 states on the Intercontinental Railroad)
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To: StopGlobalWhining; House Atreides
Anyone who doubts the mischief that can be done by the Senate ratifying treaties should Google “desertification treaty” and see how the late Wyoming Senator Craig Thomas was supposedly “tricked” in allowing this harmful treaty to become US law in a late night session.

Know it well. Please tell that to House Atreides.

31 posted on 05/10/2012 8:22:50 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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