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To: MamaTexan
So nationalization is part of the naturalization process Congress is authorized to perform.
Not Constitutionally, no.
Well you may need to clarify your thoughts on that one to me then. As I understand the law a child born on U.S. soil to alien parents, and it seems it can only be born to aliens parents since the law is in USC 8 which deals with Aliens and Nationality, is "at birth" a national and a U.S. citizen.
How is nationalization not part of naturalization?

Congress has NO authority to create types of citizenship whatsoever.
I would agree with that, but Congress does have the authority to grant U.S. citizenship through the rules of naturalization which, to me, is what USC 8 does.
As far as I understand it nobody is being granted natural born citizenship, or deemed to be a natural born citizen, in USC 8.

191 posted on 05/05/2012 5:22:20 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
How is nationalization not part of naturalization?

Naturalization pertains to the act of naturalizing, but 'nationalization' pertains to a jurisdictional ability. Congress has the ability to make the rule, but it DOESN'T have the jurisdiction to directly make this rule effective. The action of making aliens into citizens belong to the States.

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but Congress does have the authority to grant U.S. citizenship through the rules of naturalization

Using the established Constitutional Intent, yes. The problem is they were NEVER given the ability to totally by pass the criteria for residency, NOR the ability to by pass the parent in order to naturalize the child.

In order for an immigrant to become a citizen, they had to live in a State for so many years, stay out of trouble with the law...I think I even remember them having to have witnesses for their character, too.

It WASN'T run-over-the-border-and-squirt-out-your-very-own-US-citizen kind of thing.

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As far as I understand it nobody is being granted natural born citizenship, or deemed to be a natural born citizen, in USC 8.

You're right, they aren't.

My beef is they don't have the legitimate, Constitutional authority to create naturalized at birth citizens.....PERIOD!

196 posted on 05/06/2012 2:40:43 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a ~Person~ as created by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as created by the laws of Man)
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