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To: Tublecane
Since the children of aliens can be citizens, and the particular section of the law cited talks about how, obviously it applies to citizens as well as aliens.
And the children are made citizens through that section of naturalization law! The children weren't citizens until they were born and the parents never were citizens to begin with else they wouldn't be called aliens!
It can't apply to citizens because it's about aliens!
It doesn't say "Citizens and Nationality" does it?

I don’t know why we’re still talking about this.
I'm still talking about it because you're still getting it wrong!

94 posted on 05/01/2012 11:18:58 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

“And the children are made citizens through that section of naturalization law!”

Yes, and therefore the law applies to them. What about that could possibly be confusing you?

“The children weren’t citizens until they were born and the parents never were citizens to begin with else they wouldn’t be called aliens!”

Your point being? Are you trying to say something about the status of the children between conception and birth, or what? When they’re born is when it becomes of interest to us. At that point, if they qualify the law applies to them and they are citizens. Therefore, the law applies to citizens, and your arguments to the contrary are null.

“It can’t apply to citizens because it’s about aliens!”

Are you schizoid? This is a law about when the children of aliens can be considered citizens, and you just said the children are citizens when they’re born. How can you argue now somehow that it’s about aliens and doesn’t apply to citizens? You just said it does. I don’t get it.

“It doesn’t say “Citizens and Nationality” does it?”

We’ve established the particular section is called “nationals and citizens from birth,” or something. You’re referring to that section falling under the larger title “Aliens and Nationality,” I believe. What’s the point, here? That it says “aliens,” therefore it must apply only to aliens, case closed? As if what comes under the title “Aliens and Nationality” couldn’t possibly concern citizenship.

Well, might I remind you that the U.S. is a nation, and if you are born a citizen of the U.S. that is your nationality. So the “nationality” part, at least, means it can apply to citizens.


117 posted on 05/01/2012 12:11:04 PM PDT by Tublecane
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