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Bill Keller: End may be near for monstrous North Korean regime(the day after?)
Jakarta Globe ^ | 04/30/12 | BILL KELLER

Posted on 05/01/2012 6:22:17 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Bill Keller: End may be near for monstrous North Korean regime

By BILL KELLER

The New York Times

Published: April 30th, 2012 04:49 PM Last Modified: April 30th, 2012 04:49 PM

The one thing everyone knows about North Korea is that we know very little about North Korea, except that it is miserable, totalitarian, nuclear and erratic. It is the hermit kingdom, the dark side of the moon.

But thanks to many thousands of refugees who have reached freedom by way of a long underground railroad through China, we know a lot more now about the grim reality. We understand better how the government sustains its dreadful power, and where that power could be faltering. Among people who follow the country closely, there is fresh discussion of whether this most durable of monster-states could be nearing its end days, and what we should do about it.

In recent weeks the news spotlight has focused on the 29-year-old novice tyrant Kim Jong Un, performing his family's time-tested repertoire of bellicose bluster. Like a lunatic waving an assault rifle as he dances on a high window ledge, Kim galvanizes our attention.

But the more interesting story is down below.

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Because when North Korea goes, the Day After is likely to last 20 years.

(Excerpt) Read more at thejakartaglobe.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aftermath; collapse; nkorea
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Well, NK had already created a mess. In recent days, it also managed to figure out that it can use this situation to its advantage. Threat of unleashing the mess in all directions if it collapses could ward off pressure from its neighbors, according to its reasoning. This approach did manage to buy the regime some time. Temporarily.

Watching over this development is China. It has been making the futile effort to maintain the status quo, which is about to end. It will definitely try to control "the day after." The way it has been handling N. Korean problem does not exactly inspire confidence. It will try again to have it all by itself, pusing things too far. It will make a bigger mess, which bite it in the ass. It will consume too much of Chinese attention and resources in the end. The result is that it will overextend itself. China has outstanding domestic problems and potential clashes with many of its neighbors. The center won't hold if it is too obsessed with N. Korea. It is not the first time it happened to China. They had this problem in the past.

1 posted on 05/01/2012 6:22:24 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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2 posted on 05/01/2012 6:24:10 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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Very little happens in NK without the PRC’s approval.


3 posted on 05/01/2012 6:24:20 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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I could possibly be cheered by this story, if it weren’t for the fact that Bill Keller hasn’t a shred of integrity or credibility.


4 posted on 05/01/2012 6:27:58 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Iran Azadi)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The Kims followed Stalin's number one rule to keep power. (Paraphrase) Step on the masses with all of your weight and never give them a breath, lest they entertain rebellion...

Mike

5 posted on 05/01/2012 6:34:21 AM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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China likely has its agents and supporters spread throughout DPRK’s Army. When TSHTF, China will attempt to organize them into a Government.

Much will happen behind the scenes. What we will likely see from the distant vantage point in the West is announcement of a coup and a quick, bloody purge of the Kim regime.


6 posted on 05/01/2012 6:36:31 AM PDT by PGR88
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” It will try again to have it all by itself, pusing things too far. It will make a bigger mess, which bite it in the ass. It will consume too much of Chinese attention and resources in the end. The result is that it will overextend itself. “

Let’s hope so.


7 posted on 05/01/2012 6:36:37 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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Yeah, on a same league as Krugman. LOL. There are some folks who are a couple of steps ahead of him when it comes to N. Korea. They know smooth management of the aftermath is not possible. Bill Keller is still up there, dreaming that there could be some miracle deal with China on this issue. The progress in N. Korea is not from bad to good, but from ‘unfathomably hellish’ to ‘very disastrous.’
8 posted on 05/01/2012 6:37:40 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: PGR88

I suspect behind the scenes, China and South Korea have been talking about how to handle NoKo when the SHTF.


9 posted on 05/01/2012 6:38:40 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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China has a lot of experience with this. Their methods have been effective historically. Kill anyone who causes any problems.


10 posted on 05/01/2012 6:42:04 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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“Very little happens in NK without the PRC’s approval.”

Actually, North Korea is more like China’s crazy brother who won’t get a job.


11 posted on 05/01/2012 6:44:20 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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China's Achilles Heel is over-extension. There are cases where the center collapsed because it got bogged down in a protracted mess. Based on the current behavior of Chinese regime, I don't see them handling this in a “reasonable manner.”
12 posted on 05/01/2012 6:46:33 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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For ONCE I’d love to see the FHTS!


13 posted on 05/01/2012 6:49:14 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Study closely socialist Hugo Chavez' usage of 'popular masses' in the streets to thwart 1992 coup)
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I’d agree it won’t be reasonable. Lots of people will die. The only real question is whether the violence will bleed over into other countries. IMO it probably will. My inlaws in SK think it will also.

The chinese military seems to be making a move for more power across the board. Its almost as if the civilian govt has no control over the military.


14 posted on 05/01/2012 6:57:04 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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Very little happens in NK without the PRC’s approval.

We constantly made the mistake in the Cold War of assuming that the Soviet Union controlled everything in China, North Korea, or Vietnam; it's clearly been shown by history that they didn't.

The North Koreans are pretty independent; the Chinese help them to desperately avert the regime collapsing and having millions of refugees come across the border.

15 posted on 05/01/2012 7:28:04 AM PDT by Strategerist
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NK will not become democratic any time soon, it will go to Chinese rule. The people of NK are so brainwashed and undereducated there is no way they could maintain a free government on their own. It’s sad to say, but Chinese rule is actually their best option until a generation can be raised up that can think for themselves.


16 posted on 05/01/2012 8:00:17 AM PDT by Marko413
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when China pulls the plug then they're done.Until then the military will build their missiles and the people will continue to eat the bark off the trees.
17 posted on 05/01/2012 8:09:44 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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I just can’t take Keller seriously here.

His words remind me of other leftists who proudly celebrated the fall of the Berlin Wall, as if they had been stalwart anti-Communists all along, when the truth is that they had wholeheartedly supported the East German regime and all of its Socialist atrocities up to the very moment when it all collapsed, in the belief that the German Democratic Republic was superior in every way to the “corrupt” American system and Western values that they despised (and still do).

If the totalitarian, collectivist goals and actions that Keller has fervently championed ever triumph over traditional American ideals and freedoms, North Korea will serve as a good model of what will result.


18 posted on 05/01/2012 8:10:25 AM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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It explains how the regime has endured longer than any of its bestial prototypes: longer than Hitler, longer than Stalin, longer than Mao, longer than Pol Pot. The tools are enforced isolation, debilitating fear, dehumanizing hunger and utter dependence on the state.

Not unlike what Keller's NYT advocates for every. Damn. Day.

19 posted on 05/01/2012 8:15:40 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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20 posted on 05/01/2012 8:21:05 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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