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To: Maelstorm
Interesting article. I had a similar argument with a psychology professor in college. He stated that pedophilia was an irresistible urge. I argued that there were probably quite a few pedophiles who resisted their urges, but the only pedophiles that psychologists and psychiatrists saw were ones that had been referred after being caught for crimes, thus the "professionals" confused unresisted urges with irresistible urges.
15 posted on 04/29/2012 10:24:02 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: KarlInOhio
I argued that there were probably quite a few pedophiles who resisted their urges, but the only pedophiles that psychologists and psychiatrists saw were ones that had been referred after being caught for crimes, thus the "professionals" confused unresisted urges with irresistible urges.

Do you mean resisted urges? Otherwise I don't understand your point.

37 posted on 04/29/2012 11:55:58 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: KarlInOhio

Yes, but there needs to be two other distinctions as well.

1) There needs to be research to understand the “shades of gray”. Using just age of the victim as the sole criteria fails the “Traci Lords” test, but appearance criteria fails as well because of adult women who look underage, the “Little Lupe” test.

2) The flip side of this is the corruption of natural sexual attraction between adults, becomes adults attracted to children, as well as distinguishing those who are just attracted from those who do something about that attraction which is illegal. Should “Toddlers & Tiaras” be illegal? Using children as fashion models?

3) Then there is “organic” pedophilia, either physical (brain aberration), psychopathic or sociopathic.

However, despite all the above, society does not and should not in any way tolerate pedophilia based on the “We know it when we see it” criteria. It can only be parsed to a limited extent, and then only to determine the relative severity of punishments, including surgical correction.


72 posted on 04/30/2012 5:07:03 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: KarlInOhio

There are no doubt folks who have urges but control them, no matter what they are, homosexuality, group sex, animal sex, and even pedophilia. By controlling their urges they show that human beings are not merely animals ruled by their urges. Every man or woman who’s had an opportunity to cheat with someone they found attractive has showed they can control their biological urges, this however is completely counter to the leftist agenda.

I have no doubt there are people out there with urges, all kinds, that never act on them and willfully avoid situations that will place them in undo situations. Irrespective of what those urges may be. The left doesn’t want personal restraint or accountability to be in play because it puts the lie to their world view.

I am no fan of Dan Savage, he’s a gay activist nutjob who coined the term “manogamish” for crying out loud, however, the general premise there are people in this world with sick urges who do not act on them, is I believe an accurate one.


88 posted on 04/30/2012 7:03:16 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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