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To: Lil Flower
I refer you back to my precious post regarding hydration during the dying process and how counterproductive, even harmful it is.

Its not always counterproductive or harmful. Sometimes it is just ordinary care, especially for those whose primary problem is an inability to swallow, such as in advanced Parkinson's, stroke, GI cancers, etc..

"Nothing out, nothing in."

If the patient is not producing urine and the lungs are becoming overwhelmed or generalized edema is occurring, yes, IV hydration is counterproductive, even harmful. But in the absence of these, with normal urine output and no symptoms of fluid overload, I can't see how a simple IV can be considered counterproductive or harmful. In my mother in law's case, having that IV meant she could receive the properly titrated amount of morphine in the last 48 hours to ease her breathing. She was not able to swallow at that point, so the liquid morphine was not very effective and the MS Contin was out of the question.

Frankly, there are times when IV hydration is integral to pain control, as dehydration exacerbates so many end of life symptoms. Or at least that's what I'm being told by a number of pro-life hospice nurses, administrators, and medical directors, and what I observed personally as described in previous posts.

134 posted on 04/30/2012 12:27:10 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Well I can see no disagreements between us. I only advocate dc-ing fluids when it becomes harmful to the pt. Never before.
Roxanol is a SL form of morphine that Is immediate release and is administered along the mucous membrane of the gums. Don’t have to swallow it.

I am so sorry for what happened to your loved one. I have a similar horror story regarding a family member from within the hospital I’ll share another time. Dying and taking care of your loved ones is such an emotional state to be in. That’s why I’m so burned out.
And I absolutely fear where our government is taking health care. I’m just ready to pull myself completely out of the medical industry and learn the benefits of Chinese herbal medicine.


141 posted on 04/30/2012 1:56:53 PM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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