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To: New Jersey Realist
OK I’m tired of your games.
Oh, I can assure you, I'm not the one playing games.

Produce any quote, from any significant figure in history, that actually says that the Founding Fathers or Framers of the Constitution relied on Vattel for their definition of “natural born citizen.”
How about you do your own homework. Start here...
Is Being a Born Citizen of the United States Sufficient Citizenship Status to be President? The Founders and Framers Emphatically Decided It Was Not!
And particularly here...http://www.kerchner.com/images/protectourliberty/johnjay1787letteroriginal.jpg

"Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen. " John Jay

Of course, that won't be good enough for you either, will it.

25 posted on 04/28/2012 10:01:20 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Your two references just claim that the President should be a natural born citizen. You have proven nothing else, certainly not your point. I agree with the references. A natural born citizen is born on U.S. soil. If you read anything else into that declarative sentence then you do injustice to our framers. I have the full weight of the American judicial system backing me up. Who do you have? You should really read the link I sent to you earlier. It is rather lengthy but let me quote one section the ruling:

“Lord Chief Justice Cockburn, in the same year, reviewing the whole matter, said:

By the common law of England, every person born within the dominions of the Crown, no matter whether of English or of foreign parents, and, in the latter case, whether the parents were settled or merely temporarily sojourning, in the country, was an English subject, save only the children of foreign ambassadors (who were excepted because their fathers carried their own nationality with them), or a child born to a foreigner during the hostile occupation of any part of the territories of England. No effect appears to have been given to descent as a source of nationality.”

Now let me make my claim again. The framers wrote the Constitution in language that the people would understand. They did not understand Vattel you can be sure, they did understand British common law. It was common knowledge at the time that a natural born citizen was a citizen born of the soil. You cannot prove otherwise. You have an agenda my FRiend.


28 posted on 04/28/2012 10:23:48 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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