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To: mamelukesabre

I already preempted question like yours in post #14. So where did God come from? He’s existed for all eternity, no beginning, no end? Unlikely. God emerging from nothingness? God emerging from nothingness says a lot less about God, the Supreme Being (emerging from nothingness) than it does about the Universe, empty space(coming from nothingness).


43 posted on 04/26/2012 8:38:45 PM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce

Your mind is trapped in an existence defined by time and space. To understand how nonsensical your question is, you first have to imagine an existence without the parameter we call time. This is the existence of god. It is not possible for our minds to truly comprehend an existence without time so in the end it is folly.

But...I’ll give it a go anyway...

If there is no time for god, when did he “begin”?

See? that is a nonsensical question, is it not? If there is no time, then there is no beginning and no end. Church goers use the phrase “god is eternal” or “ever lasting” or “existed before creation”. All this is just primitive ways of saying god exists outside parameter of time and space.

Now, lets look at science. They say that time and space are constructs that exist only within the universe. The vacuum of space is not really a vacuum at all. It is filled with a substance that creates the dimensions we call time and space. Therefore, time only exists within the universe. Distance only exists within the universe. You can imagine them as being artificial constructs like a holodeck (star trek) or the matrix(of the movie). Prior to the “big bang” there was no time and there was no distance. If time and distance exist only within the universe, then where are you when you step just outside the universe? Go ahead and try to answer that question. Here’s a hint, you cant use distance to explain it because distance does not exist there.

You can’t answer that question. And that is just the way it is. You also cannot answer the question “from where did god come from” for the same reasons you cannot answer the question “what caused the big bang”.


58 posted on 04/26/2012 8:57:24 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: lbryce

Don’t confuse the idea of God with God. We tend to confuse the creation with our ideas of it, because we are immersed in creation. Yet we do transcend nature, or at least our minds do. God does not exist as we exist. To speak of him as Creator means we cannot get behind creation. We can say Where was God before? But does such a statement have any possible meaning? Only in reference to Christianity theology, where we speak of Christ existing before all ages, with the Father and the Spirit . If God created time-space, then neither when nor where means anything. Even to say, NOW in reference to God is to say only admit that unlike us, that Now is not in motion.


62 posted on 04/26/2012 9:03:44 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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I will say that after struggling to regain my lost faith years ago, it was very apparent to me after digging and reading and driving myself mad for ‘answers’, it is no more complex than understanding what is at the heart of faith:
believing that which you cannot see.

I hear people say ‘I’ll believe it when I see it’ kinda of attitude - the truth is: ‘You’ll see it when you believe it’


63 posted on 04/26/2012 9:03:59 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44 (Fluck this adminstration of misfits.)
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