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To: little jeremiah; savagesusie
I'm calling bull, for those morals are not specific to Christianity, as you pointed out.

However, that's *NOT* what she meant in her post. See below for her expansion on the point.

This Western ideology—perfected by Christian Theology—is what creates a successful society—a culture which can flourish—because of trust and unity. We are being destroyed by destroying all virtue—all morality—The Judeo/Christian concept of God—it is what the Cultural Marxists planned in the 30’s to destroy Western Civilization through Atheist control of schools.

Or, in other words, Christian Theology is what makes for success - PERIOD!

And that's bull... as I pointed out.

31 posted on 04/26/2012 5:26:36 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: gogogodzilla; savagesusie

I don’t always agree with savagesusie in every particular; but basic universal moral absolutes are absolutely necessary to render human civilization both human and civilized.


32 posted on 04/26/2012 5:32:02 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: gogogodzilla; little jeremiah; savagesusie
Actually, the poster referred to Judeo-Christian morality undergirding Western culture and economic progress, not Christian morality. There's a big difference between those two statements.

I think we're seeing two different arguments being made here.

One argument is that “social issues” are irrelevant to people who can't pay their bills and aren't having their basic needs met.

The other argument is that non-Christian cultures have at various times in the past been more economically successful than Western Europe.

The second argument is obviously true and I don't dispute it. I would point out that cultural forms of “civic morality” which promote family values, respect for authority, and not stealing your neighbor's property or trying to kill him are **STILL** transcendent moral values and are at radical variance with modern Western amoral liberalism or libertarianism.

As for the relevance of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs — tell that to the martyred Christians under Nero or the Jews who died at Masada. Tell that even to secular American liberals who opposed the German Third Reich and fought for American freedom during World War II. There are some things which are far more important than food, shelter, or life itself, and even someone who **DOESN'T** believe in transcendent moral values can believe there are things worth dying for.

43 posted on 04/27/2012 4:04:18 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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