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To: schaef21
Is it possible for a Christian to believe that the Creator accomplished his work incrementally, over millions of years??

Because as I posted above, it's not the concept of a creator that is inherently unacceptable to me.

What's unacceptable is the literal Genesis timeline.

144 posted on 05/23/2012 11:03:59 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)
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To: Notary Sojac; schaef21

Yeah it’s too bad there aren’t any natural clocks that defend the Bible against this notion of millions and billions of years...

Oh! What’s that you say?

101 Evidences for a Young Age of the Earth...And the Universe
http://creation.com/age-of-the-earth


145 posted on 05/23/2012 12:21:54 PM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: Notary Sojac; BrandtMichaels

I’ll be responding to two of your posts here, Notary.

****I think you both might be surprised to know how many atheists and agnostics find that the idea of a universe created in six days, less than ten thousand years ago, is one of the major walls between them and the Christian faith.****

The reverse is also true….. from Junior High School the Theory of Evolution is taught as fact. Those who go on to college and major in some science discipline are indoctrinated in every class they take at the collegiate level and beyond. It is accepted as truth by them and why not? They paid a fortune for that education and that’s what they were taught.

So now here come some scientists wearing some pretty impressive sheepskin their ownself who say “Hey, we’ve really looked at this in depth and actually examined some of the claims of the other side and they’re making a pretty good case.” They are met with ad hominems and catcalls….. better that than to deal with the arguments.

You may recognize this exact same thing going on with the “climate change” debate today. “He disagrees with me and a whole bunch of other smart guys….. ergo, he’s a buffoon.”

Evolution is not even in the remotest sense science. It meets none of the standards of the scientific method….. you can’t observe it (I love the Richard Dawkins quote on this: “Evolution has been observed, its just hasn’t been observed while it’s happening.”), test it or repeat it and there is absolutely no test even imaginable that could be used to falsify it. As such, it is not science but philosophy. Here’s the kicker, though…. Since evolution is true, then there’s no need to believe in a Creator God. That is why studies have shown that 70%+ of scientists are atheist or agnostic.

**** How many of them have seriously investigated the claims of Christ, but when told that to be Christians they must accept the Bible as literal and inerrant even when it touches upon biology, astronomy, and geology have said “Oh. All right then.....” and quietly walked away.****

While the Bible is not a science book, when it speaks of science it speaks truth. I showed you in a previous post some science that is in the Bible some 2000+ years before being discovered by secular science. I can give you many more if you’d like….there are a lot of them.

Be careful not to cite miracles as science (such as the long day in the book of Joshua). The Bible never claims this to be a natural phenomenon…. It quite clearly says that it was a supernatural act of God.

**** Is it possible for a Christian to believe that the Creator accomplished his work incrementally, over millions of years??****

There are many Christians who believe in long ages. Salvation in Christ is dependent upon repentance and belief in the ultimate sacrifice of Christ on the cross as their only means of salvation….. belief in long ages is not then a barrier to eternity with their Creator. It is, however, doctrinally wrong in so many ways.

In summary….. you say that the Genesis timeline is a stumbling block. If the Genesis timeline is a rock, the theory of evolution is a boulder….. a much bigger obstacle for most people.

The Global Warming Nazis are not the only ones who ignore and try to hide evidence against their theory and explain away things that don’t square with it….. in fact their game plan is the same one that’s been used by the evolutionists for years.

I can recommend all kinds of materials if you have the courage (and it does take courage) to examine the other side. I hope you will, Notary.


146 posted on 05/25/2012 4:08:56 PM PDT by schaef21
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