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"The difference is that if he was a true believer he was accepted in the Beloved because of the shed blood and sacrifice of Christ, who redeemed him from all his sins—past, present, and future."

Sorry!

I just prayed about this Quote! I have to post.

FUTURE?

No Way!

If He asked for Forgiveness while dying? Yes. He truly meant it. He can be forgiven! But in No way does Christ Give a license for abuse or killing.

It is this kind of Garbage that inspires this Man.

GEORGE SODINI

(Health Club Mass murderer)

THE POSTER-CHILD FOR ETERNAL SECURITY

By Jeff Paton

On August 4th, 2009, 48 year old George Sodini shot 9 people in a Pittsburg Pennsylvania health club. At the time of the writing of this article (August 6th), four people had died to include George by his own self-inflicted gunshot wound.

George Sodini, mass murderer and professed Christian Eternal Securist wrote; “Maybe soon, I will see God and Jesus. At least that is what I was told. Eternal life does NOT depend on works. If it did, we will all be in hell. Christ paid for EVERY sin, so how can I or you be judged BY GOD for a sin when the penalty was ALREADY paid. People judge but that does not matter. I was reading the Bible and The Integrity of God beginning yesterday, because soon I will see them.”

My friends, this is the true fruit of the doctrine of Eternal Security! Few Eternal Securists would be consistent and say that George was in the loving arms of the Savior as we speak, enjoying paradisiacal bliss! The ever-present cop-out of “He was never saved in the first place,” will be the majority mantra of those who cannot accept the inevitable outcome of their own false doctrine, which was so accurately quoted by George Sodini!

If the doctrine of Eternal Security is true in the least, George would be consistent and correct in his conclusions and his actions! Perhaps we cannot any longer be critical of Islamic homicide bombers when we have here an equivalent with the endorsement of Christianity! Islam is a religion of hate and terrorism; only a brain-washed fool or utterly ignorant individual could deny it. But with George’s Eternal Security, what would make that brand of Christianity any different? Yes, we would not see Churches encourage murderous actions as Islam does, but what of the inevitable conclusion of the core doctrine that they teach? You see, George is correct in his application; if a Christian can get to heaven with a “little” sin because their penalty has already been paid, then nothing in this world or the next could possibly “unpay” the largest quantity sin, or even the worst quality of evil committed in the one who is Eternally Secure. Either Eternal Security is a free license to sin, or it is no Eternal Security at all! If the pseudo-"facts" of Jesus “paying for every sin” is true, then George Sodini will be waiting to greet us with open arms in heaven! If such actions as George’s murder spree are not gleefully covered, then Eternal Security is a myth, and proved to be a Hell-inspired doctrine. You can’t go half way with “payment” and Eternal Security. You can’t make any knowledgeable statement about George’s salvation, or say that he was not really saved, or "Eternally Secure" in his sins without destroying the whole doctrinal foundation of Eternal Security and its inevitable conclusions!

It will be astonishing, but predictable to watch the consistent "inconsistency" of Eternal Security believers as they insist that salvation is “unconditional,” while they create all kinds of “conditional” excuses to condemn this man to save their false doctrine! They must disconnect his actions and perfect application of their doctrine at all costs in order to try to save its reputation. What they don't seem to realize is, that by dismissing George as an unbeliever, they utterly deny the efficacy of Eternal Security, and establish a Biblical Conditional Security! Either a believer, such as George, can become unstable, and ultimately commit the most horrible crimes and be a truly "Eternally Secure" individual, or those that would condemn him must also in their consistency... damn every Alzheimer patient who "falls out of Christian character" as they suffer the ravages of that disease. Tell me my friend, does God give "Eternal Security" to the mentally ill and those who suffer mental breakdown? Even though they follow through with what your doctrine must completely justify, if it has any hope of being true?

The only possible good that can come from this man’s horrible sin is that people will actually wake up and evaluate the doctrinal nonsense that encouraged him to feel free to commit such a tragic atrocity in the first place! You can either take George’s side, or God’s side on this issue. Any doctrine that could create such a loophole for mass murder cannot possibly be the doctrine of a just God who does not offer any loopholes for salvation for anyone else! It makes no sense to proclaim that only those who believe in Eternal Security are given a pass for sin, and all others are relegated to be judged with the most precise and unbending vengeance of a Holy God!

George believed a LIE! George believed in Eternal Security! You can believe a human invention of “sins paid for” like George did, but the Bible never teaches this! You can believe the distortion that “Eternal Life does not depend on works” to mean, “Eternal Life has nothing to do with a person’s relationship to sin and sinning.” You can chose to believe all kinds of unbiblical nonsense at your own peril! George did you a favor by spelling it out for you! You can believe Eternal Security, or you can believe God. George loved his “doctrine” more than he loved God. Will you do the same?

http://eternalsecurity.us/

JUST LIVE THE LIFE PERIOD!

29 posted on 04/24/2012 11:51:53 AM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: johngrace

http://eternalsecurity.us/


30 posted on 04/24/2012 11:52:30 AM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: johngrace

“But in No way does Christ Give a license for abuse or killing.”

You are reading quite a bit into what I said. Never would I, or any other true Christian, say such a thing.

Secondly, there are plenty of Bible verses that say ALL
believers’ sins are forgiven—which means ALL—past, present, and future because of being in Christ and being redeemed from sin and death.

One of the best know is in 1 John:9, If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleans us from ALL unrighteousness.

Colossians 1:13-14, For He DELIVERED us from the doman of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

~Neither our redemption nor the forgiveness of sins is forfeited when we sin, because IT IS ETERNAL.— we are to live a life of repentance when we sin; in other words, we are to confess our sins [1 John 1:9] and repent (turn from) them as a way of life.~

More verses:

Colossians 2:13, And WHEN You WERE DEAD in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having FORGIVEN us ALL OUR TRANSGRESSIONS, 14 having CANCELLED OUT the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us and which was hostile to us, and He has TAKEN IT OUT OF THE WAY, having nailed it to the cross.

~Jesus is my certificate of debt—eternally.~

Ephesians 1:7, In Him we HAVE redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace, 8 which He lavished upon us.

Taking an Old Testament example, David, the king of Israel, knew the One true living God since he was a youth. As an adult one night he snuck around and took another man’s wife and then murdered the woman’s husband, who was a loyal warrior under him. His confession of sin when Nathan the prophet condemned him is recorded in Psalm 51.

God forgave him of his transgressions, his sins, his iniquities, yet there are other Psalms written by him that are about forgiveness of transgressions and the joy of redemption and ongoing deliverance.

I can only hope that Tom Whte asked forgiveness for his sin before he died, if he did this thing; no one knows what was in his mind.

But I know that the Bible is full of statements that all our sins are forgiven because our redemption was secured forever at a moment in history, at the cross.

And I know that whatever sins I commit in my life are to be confessed and turned from so that I can enjoy fellowship with my Lord—because when I believed in Him, he gave me a new heart and a new spirit, and made me a new creation, a new man, in Christ, and all that He secured for me can never be forfeited.

And this is true of all believers in the Lord Jesus Christ.


38 posted on 04/24/2012 12:43:35 PM PDT by TurkeyLurkey
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To: johngrace

http://www.amazon.com/Saved-Always-Westminster-Pulpit-Series/dp/1932805273

43 posted on 04/24/2012 3:09:19 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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