Romney Obama the Same? [Why support Romney on FR?]

YouTube ^ | April 23, 2012 | channelfortruth2012

[CatherineofAragon]

I’ve not seen a single person say they will sit out the election.

[JRandomFreeper]

Not only failed math, but doesn't understand the reality on the ground.

I won't vote for Romney.

But I will be voting for some conservative candidate for President, and voting for conservatives downticket.

I'm neither pouting nor sitting out the election. And Romney will never get my vote. I will continue to campaign against him as long as is required.

/johnny

[CatherineofAragon]

That’s my plan, as well. At this point I’m considering Goode for president, and all conservatives downticket.

I feel very much at peace with my decision.

[GeronL]

aiming low.

Electing Romney is death to the conservative movement, thanks for having such low standards.

[GeronL]

Are our standards really that low?

This is still a CONSERVATIVE forum, right? Romney is not a conservative. You should not expect a lot of support for Romney on this forum.

[NorthernCrunchyCon]

“[Romney] doesnt want to make Islam the national religion...”

Um, do the research. Mormonism *is* domestic Islam. That’s why Joseph Smith Jr. and the early Mormons spent so much time comparing themselves to Mohammed and Islam. That’s why Brigham Young University is probably the largest English translator of Islamic texts. That’s why Mormons and Muslims host joint theological conferences in America.

[Elsie]

Dont lecture me.

Pshaw!

I get lectured all the time.

Usually I need it.

[arderkrag]

TY for the ping! Keep hammering em!

[Elsie]

Looking to the south?

[Utah Binger]

We are situated right under that far mesa two miles down the road. Yup...South.

[jersey117]

There is no lower standard than throwing the election to obama. Of course no one has to support Romney. I just think it’s a pretty low standard to actively attack him at this stage of the game. He’s attacked more than obama is. It’s destructive and counterproductive. Good conservatives who were in were run out of town and other good conservatives didn’t even get in the race. At least he’s taking the heat and fighting. Just because there is no conservative left standing, doesn’t mean I should support obama by default.

[Elsie]

[Elsie]

That’s why Joseph Smith Jr. and the early Mormons spent so much time comparing themselves to Mohammed and Islam.

“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

• Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

• Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

• Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

• As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

• Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

• Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

• Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

• Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

• Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, look to Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib, whom they consider Divinely appointed, as the rightful successor to Muhammad, and the first imam. (Ali was the cousin and son-in-law of the Islamic prophet Muhammad). Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith's followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith's own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

• Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith's claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.

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[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.

[Elsie]

Dang I’m good!!

[Elsie]

year: 2012
reply #: 212
time on clock: 6:12

[arderkrag]

And this bears repeating, ad infinitum:

[Utah Binger]

Don’t your goats need to be fed or something? You have too much time on your hands. Maybe I’ll call you on a Maynard Dixon Mission.

My wife’s sister and her husband just got called to the Nauvoo Mission. I told them I could call them as well and they wouldn’t even have to pay rent or anything. Just six months of service here on the property. Tours, tractor, mowing etc.

[MARKUSPRIME]

Keep on believing your delusional insults as they have no basis on why Im voting like Im voting. I did vote for Newt and contributed to his campaign. I actually wanted Jim DeMint or Paul Ryan to run back before anyone got in but thats what we are left with. You all keep slagging and insulting people calling them evil and cowards will eventually run a huge number of people away from FR where it will be marginalized in the future and will just be an echo chamber for you all to bobble nod in agreement. You all proabably really dont see it do you. I dont like Mitt as my first pick but I am voting for him over Obama. This site didn’t used to be so childish and immature.No one is worse than Obama for this country and I can sleep well at night know that is 100% accurate, and I am a conservative with no other choice but a ABO vote to get him out of the White House. Im not asking anyone to support Mitt just stop calling people names that want Obama out of office.Im done with this thread and I wish you all the best.

[.30Carbine]

After watching the video it seems clear that Romney was chosen to make sure Obama got reelected.

[arderkrag]

Who’s calling anyone names? I’m just correctly pegging the myths that you people spout. None of you are anything but Mitt supporters. And personally, I welcome the departing of the whiny “hold-your-nose-and-vote” types like you.