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Bond Hearing Testimony Reveals Huge Hole In State's Case Against George Zimmerman !
Sun-Sentinel ^ | Vanity

Posted on 04/20/2012 8:54:37 AM PDT by MindBender26

Among all the coverage of Zimmerman being granted bail, most reporters are missing the most important detail of the day. The State's investigator admitted, under oath, that they have no way to disprove Zimmerman's claim that Trayvon Martin started the flight and assaulted him.

The details are buried deep in the story, but they are crucial:

Gilbreath is the State's Investigator:
O'Mara is Zimmerman's attorney:

(from the story)

"During further questioning by O'Mara, Gilbreath admitted that the state has no evidence who started the fight. There is also no evidence that Zimmerman didn't walk back to his car after chasing Martin on foot, as the defendant has claimed."

That speaks to, make that screams Stand Your Ground, and combined with new pictures of a bleeding and battered Zimmerman taken three minutes after the police arrived, it's all becoming so very clear to legal observers that Zimmerman walks on a SYG motion or at the least a SD verdict.

(Excerpt) Read more at southflorida.sun-sentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman; zimmermanhearing
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To: SE Mom

Just wish O’Mara had objected when the prosecutor continually used the phrase “when you committed this crime” in his questioning of Zimmerman.


21 posted on 04/20/2012 9:55:47 AM PDT by Churchillspirit
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To: MindBender26

I think that photo was taken 3 minutes after the shot ws fired. NOT 3 minutes after the police arrived.
The person with the camera took a number of picx and was probably still here when the cops did arrive.

Thank God for this person & their cell phone.


22 posted on 04/20/2012 10:02:38 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Terry Mross

What pisses me off are all the cowards who are kicking this down the road to the next guy. Starting with the governor appointing a special prosecutor so he can say he did his job. The special prosecutor filing charges so she can say she did her job. The first judge volunteering information so she could drop the hot potatoe (I believe all this info was there when she was named judge). Now they’ll give it to this judge and make him make the decision. I predict his decision will be to hand the potatoe to a jury.

None of these people are concerned about justice. Their only concern is not pissing off the blacks and causing a riot. Maybe it’s time the whites started acting like blacks but only to make sure justice is served.

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How about all those conservatives who jumped to the conclusion that Zimmerman was a redneck vigilante without hearing his side of the story?


23 posted on 04/20/2012 10:07:42 AM PDT by Socon-Econ (Socon-Econ)
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To: RIghtwardHo

“All the evidence is circumstantial. “

Did the witness reply, “The only evidence we have is circumstantial”?

Or was it that there was no evidence?

For example, suppose there had NOT been any powder burns on Martin’s clothing. That would strongly suggest the shot was taken at something other than contact range, and would be evidence about the start of the fight.

Or suppose they had conflicting witness statements, with someone saying they heard Zimmerman shouting racial slurs. That would be evidence that Zimmerman was acting as an aggressor.

But it seems they do not.


24 posted on 04/20/2012 10:11:18 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: Vendome
AMF????

Adios Mother F------

25 posted on 04/20/2012 10:20:57 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Churchillspirit
Just wish O’Mara had objected when the prosecutor continually used the phrase “when you committed this crime” in his questioning of Zimmerman.

Yeah..but O"Mara likely wanted to keep his objections to a minimum - after all this was a simple bond hearing.

26 posted on 04/20/2012 10:23:00 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: TexasRepublic
Some negro will murder him on the streets, thanks to the New Black Racists.

Even worse; some innocent man who LOOKS like Zimmerman will get whacked.

27 posted on 04/20/2012 10:23:26 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: RIghtwardHo
"All the evidence is circumstantial."

A case in which there are no witnesses and all the evidence is circumstantial might be a burglary where there might be things like fingerprints, blood from a suspect getting cut from a broken window, shoe tracks, or tire tracks.

The Martin case has a subject who was shot, witness statements, a shooter and a statement from the shooter, blood and injuries to both the subject who was shot and to the shooter, tape recordings of the dispatcher and Zimmerman prior to the shooting, and observations of the police and medical personal at the scene. If the case goes to a jury, there is a lot of "direct" evidence here.

28 posted on 04/20/2012 10:29:02 AM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: MindBender26

“Prosecutor Bernie De La Rionda then questioned Gilbreath.”

All those who predicted that Ms. Corey would stick this sure-loser case onto some hapless underling, take a bow.


29 posted on 04/20/2012 10:36:57 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: MindBender26

sfl


30 posted on 04/20/2012 10:37:13 AM PDT by know-the-law
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To: Chewbarkah

They are just trying to spin up a riot. It makes for good TV


31 posted on 04/20/2012 10:44:37 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Chewbarkah
interesting isn't it......Corey really should be disbarred IMO.....Nifong did it and it finally caught up with him, and she should have known better...

yes..this is a sensitive case....she had to tread carefully...but maybe charge Z with something, and not be so gleeful about it on camera like an idiot...

32 posted on 04/20/2012 10:55:44 AM PDT by cherry
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To: PapaBear3625

Like

Stealing for my own.

thnx


33 posted on 04/20/2012 11:10:29 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: MindBender26
Here are the two losers, but since angela is the boss, gilbreath gets thrown into the lion pit.

He career is finito.


34 posted on 04/20/2012 11:20:54 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: MindBender26

ping


35 posted on 04/20/2012 11:23:16 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Respond Code Three

Direct evidence for some elements of the alleged crime, but no direct evidence of who escalated the conflict into the range of lethal threat, which goes to both the depraved mind element and the self-defense argument. The jury will be instructed that they cannot convict on murder 2 without each required element being proven beyond reasonable doubt, and I don’t think the state has what it needs to get there, whether directly, circumstantially, or otherwise, based on Gilbraith’s admission.

However, a hole in the evidence of this kind actually serves the race baiters well. GZ will probably walk, but the troublemakers will, due to the lack of direct evidence on escalation, be able to project their racial stereotyping onto that blank screen. Those who would use this kind of event for political gain could care less about the fate of one or two individuals and their families. They only care about how they can leverage this into advancing their legislative and social agendas. They probably troll for cases like this on purpose; the greater the perceived injustice the better. Other, similar cases would be uninteresting to them if direct evidence precluded their ability to invoke the spirit of racial hatred from the haze of ambiguity.


36 posted on 04/20/2012 11:31:20 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: MindBender26

It will be impossible for the defense to disprove the eye withness testimony and the physical evidence of the bloddy nose and head wounds.


37 posted on 04/20/2012 12:43:46 PM PDT by Young Werther
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To: longtermmemmory

This opens the state up to a malicious prosecution suit.


Looks like Zimmerman’s attorney O’Mara is one tough defense attorney. After dismissal of the case they should pursue lawsuits against the special prosecutor’s office as well as against several of those CBC members that publicly stated that Zimmerman hunted down and killed Martin because he was black (as well as that bug-eyed NY Knicks fan that pretends to be a filmmaker).


38 posted on 04/20/2012 1:14:36 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Springfield Reformer
"but no direct evidence of who escalated the conflict into the range of lethal threat, which goes to both the depraved mind element and the self-defense argument."

There are some things are critical to the case. A prosecutor must be able to establish the elements of the crime so a jury can convict beyond a reasonable doubt. And thus far, I have not read anything that convinces me that there is any hope of a conviction. Who escalated the conflict is a matter of utmost gravity. In a just society, Zimmerman would have not been arrested and he would not have been in a position to necessitate him posting bail.

39 posted on 04/20/2012 1:45:12 PM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: Young Werther
"It will be impossible for the defense to disprove the eye witness testimony and the physical evidence of the bloody nose and head wounds."

I know what you meant, but to the defense's case, these things are vital. What you probably meant is this:

It will be impossible for the defense prosecution to disprove the eye witness testimony and the physical evidence of the bloody nose and head wounds.

40 posted on 04/20/2012 1:51:07 PM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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