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So, can we advance this conversation a little?

Suppose the good people of the State of Texas in December 2012 decide they want to exercise their Inalienable Rights, Natural Law Right, or transcendent Rights from their Creator to withdraw from the Union because they believe their Rights have been infringed upon by the national government in DC.

Do they have this right?

Or, do you believe, as most pro-big government living constitution conservatives seem to believe, that Texas must seek permission from the other States, Congress, the Supreme Court? And if they cannot obtain this permission, and press ahead with the withdrawal, should they be subject to attack in order to preserve the Union?

This boils this whole thread down to a practical question. Will you support a State withdrawing if the body-politic of that particular State believes their Rights have been infringed upon? Or, are you a big-government nationalist conservative?

Can't wait to read the responses. Believe me, I can predict some!

"C'mon you idiot, let's get real...that'll never happen!

"No, the State cannot withdraw without permission."

Etc, etc!

Or, do you believe, as most pro-big government living constitution conservatives seem to believe, that Texas must seek permission from the other States, Congress, the Supreme Court?

LOL! No. As Webster basically put it, one side can't be held accountable for a contract the other side fails to observe.

And it's been pretty much ignored for quite some time now.

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Will you support a State withdrawing if the body-politic of that particular State believes their Rights have been infringed upon?

Yep, that's another 'gotcha question'. LOL!

That's one of the biggest problems. No one has yet to show me where government gets the authority to define what the Inalienable Rights of the People are!

That was kind of what makes them Inalienable..... right?

;-)

You've already expressed your feeeelings on this but I am curious - what do you think is the potential for this happening? How many of those "millions more than the just me and MamaTexan" are going to lead the charge?

When can we expect your opening salvo?

Sorry. I was so aggravated while making the last post I just now realized I'd forgotten to provide the web page for the Congressional Journal.

Last entry before adjourning on May 10,1794.:
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsj&fileName=002/llsj002.db&recNum=42&itemLink=D?hlaw:13:./temp/~ammem_LF5V::%230020043&linkText=1

The state can not withdraw unilaterally, per Texas v. White. If they pretend to, they can not with impunity declare or prosecute a war on the US.

The Union predated the Constitution, indeed, the Declaration of Independence.

Secession could take place, legally, by legislation, supreme court case, or successful revolution followed by treaty with the US.