What If the Government Rejects the Constitution?

Townhall.com ^ | April 12, 2012 | Judge Andrew Napolitano

[Theoria]

Things have certainly changed. Many years ago, citizens of states would refer to themselves as a Floridian, a Virginian, etc. Now, they say, I'm from Florida, or from Virginia. Some perhaps still do, but they are a minority[Texans, perhaps]

In the past, persons were loyal to their states first, then the Union. That has certainly changed.

But, I keep hearing this murmur of CW or somethings similar. I just have to sigh. If people don't have the courage to stop voting dem/gop tickets or actually change politics from the local level. Where the hell are they gonna get the courage to enter a CW?

[Cheburashka]

BS. Right now I the primacy of the Federal Govt. is causing weakness, the accent of the individual state would reverse the enervating effects of tyrannical centralized power.

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I call BS right back at you. Division is weakness, not strength. Expect conflict amongst the Disunited States and you will not be disappointed. Expect enemies of the present United States to exploit that weakness for all it's worth.

[Carry_Okie]

The founders understood the paramount importance of defining what the government was allowed to do while expressly saying it was not allowed to do anything else. They understood powerful people very well and the powerful people’s mindset has not changed.

Oh really? If they understood so well that powerful people are inclined to mischief, why is it that there was absolutely NO ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM by which officers of the government would be punished for usurpation of power?

Show me that age and country where the rights and liberties of the people were placed on the sole chance of their rulers being good men, without a consequent loss of liberty! I say that the loss of that dearest privilege has ever followed, with absolute certainty, every such mad attempt. Patrick Henry, Saturday, June 14, 1788, First speech: Restraint on corruption

[little jeremiah]

“What if?”

Horse got stolen from barn long time ago.

Now we have to get the gov in line, my tagline says what I think.

[Little Ray]

There are times when I think we should encourage the PRC to assume the role of the world “super power.” We could take a rest, and watch as China bankrupted itself through expansion and over-extension of its military.

Failing that, we might learn how to make a being a super power profitable, when its our turn again...

[central_va]

If the 50 states dissolve the present Union they are by definition not standing together.

I guess you have never heard of mutual defense treaties? Look you think like statist, I get you. We are different, I believe in a weak Federal Govt. That doesn't mean I believe in a weak defense structure. You should really read about the founding of our country and the republic. Are you a naturalized citizen? You seem a little behind the curve.

Most Americans when thinking about the USC are hung up on the BOR's. That is a mistake, the MOST important thing the USC did was establish(or try to establish) a limited centralized Federal Govt. I put you in this category. .

[Lucky9teen]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

THOMAS JEFFERSON, Declaration of Independence

[Lucky9teen]

Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters,

We’ve stuck together since the late 1950s, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know that we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly this relationship has run its course. Our two ideological sides of America cannot and just will not ever agree on what’s right. So let’s just end it right now while we can do it on friendly terms. We can smile, shake hands, chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and each go our own way.

So here’s a model separation agreement.

Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by land mass, each taking a portion. That’s going to be the difficult part, but I’m sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy. Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate taste. We don’t like redistributive taxes so you can have those. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. And since you hate guns and you hate war, we’ll take the firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O’Donnell. But you are going to be responsible for finding a biodiesel vehicle big enough to haul them around.

We’ll keep the capitalism, the greedy corporations, the pharmaceutical companies; we will keep Wal-Mart and Wall Street. You can have the homeless, the homeboys, the hippies and illegal aliens. We will keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, the greedy CEOS and all of the rednecks. We’ll keep the Bibles and we’ll let you have NBC and Hollywood.

You can be nice to Iran and Palestine and we’ll retain the right to invade and hammer anybody that threatens us. You can have the peaceniks and the war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we will provide them with security. You won’t have to worry about it. We will keep our Judeo-Christian values. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and Shirley Maclaine. You can also have the UN, but we will no longer pay the bill.

We will keep the SUVs, the pickup trucks and the oversize luxury cars. You can have the compacts, the subcompacts and every Subaru station wagon you can find. You can give everybody healthcare, if you can find any practicing doctors. We will continue to believe that healthcare is a privilege and not a right. We will keep “The Battle Hymn of the Republic” and the national anthem, and I am sure you will be happy to substitute in their place “Imagine.” I’d like to teach the world to sing “Kumbaya” or “We are the world.” We will practice trickle-down economics and you can give trickle-up poverty your best shot. And since it so offends you, we will keep our history, our name and our flag.

Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along other like-minded liberal and conservative patriots. And if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the friendly spirit of parting, I’ll bet you ANWAR which one of us will need whose help in about 15 years.

Sincerely,

John J Wall

Law student and an American

P.S. You can also have Barbara Streisand and Jane Fonda

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[DeaconRed]

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[servantboy777]

Oh man......opened a can of worms there.

Uncle Sugar will be a listening in boy’z. Watch what’ya say!

[Lucky9teen]

[Political Junkie Too]

"An amendment? The fundamental check on the government power was the second afterthought?"

We know that it wasn't an "afterthought," because the Federalist Papers show the debate that occurred between the issue of forming a standing army vs. the check on it via the local militia, and how this interplays with the fear of an unscrupulous executive.

See my summary from 2006 in this thread.

-PJ

[Sherman Logan]

why is it that there was absolutely NO ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM by which officers of the government would be punished for usurpation of power?

Nonsense.

The enforcement provision was built in. It's called impeachment for judges and officers of the executive branch.

It's called elections for congressmen and senators. They can also be expelled by a majority of their own house.

That impeachment has become almost entirely a dead letter is not the fault of the Founders. It's the fault of cowardly congressmen, more interested in re-election than the good of their country.

I sometimes think we'd have a better country if about every fourth president had been impeached and removed from office.

[Only Sane Man]

“If”??

[Jotmo]

The fundamental check on the government power was the second afterthought?"

Not second. The original Bill of Rights had 12 Amendments. What is now the 2nd was the 3rd (or 4th) when drafted.

[Quickgun]

Excellent plan for us here in Texas. Who is going to attack us for it?

[Jotmo]

The fundamental check on the government power was the second afterthought?"

Not second. The original Bill of Rights had 12 Amendments. What is now the 2nd was the 3rd (or 4th) when drafted.