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Rockwall teacher fired for out-of-wedlock pregnancy
WFAA ^ | 04/10/2012 | JASON WHITELY

Posted on 04/11/2012 9:44:41 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd

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To: Raider Sam
Right, because its up to men and organizations to determine which sins are worse than others, and what the scale is in general. This school had no problem hiring a divorced, single mother. They had no problem with her being a role model knowing that situation. But when she got pregnant, then there was a problem. It shows them to be hypocrites.

Not necessarily. A hypocrite is one who acts in a manner in opposition to his/her own stated beliefs/principles. Since we don't know what the school teaches concerning divorce, it would be incorrect to label them as hypocrites over that issue. Also, even the Jesus did not label divorce as a sin - it was divorce and remarriage that was the sin, because it caused the participants to be engaged in adultery.

And what if the divorce occurred before the participant became a Christian? What if it occurred for reasons of abuse, adultery or abandonment? Would they still be hypocrites for hiring her?

121 posted on 04/11/2012 2:11:24 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: trailhkr1

“If she doesn’t know that sex causes pregnancy, she is too stupid to be a teacher”
>>>No BC is 100% sure even when used correctly.<<<

Abstinence, which is a biblical requirement for all single Christian men and women, is 100% effective in preventing pregnancy.

Her morals code violation was for fornication, the pregnancy was simply the evidence of it.


122 posted on 04/11/2012 2:11:24 PM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The candidate I vote for will NOT have a CARE after his name.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Her word means nothing — her contract means nothing — only what she wants to do. Me and I are the only ones who count for her; God’s Word certainly means nothing.


123 posted on 04/11/2012 2:49:07 PM PDT by winkadink (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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To: CA Conservative
Also, even the Jesus did not label divorce as a sin - it was divorce and remarriage that was the sin, because it caused the participants to be engaged in adultery.

So a woman in a abusive marriage who gets the shiiite beat out of her every weekend get's divorced and then cannot remarry as it's a sin and is forced to remain single and alone the rest of her life??

124 posted on 04/11/2012 2:49:16 PM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: SgtHooper

I hope thats not the case, because that would mean that they are only concerned about the perception of how sin looks, but not the sin itself.


125 posted on 04/11/2012 4:35:32 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
The fired teacher and expectant mother said she did nothing wrong, and faces financial problems now, including giving birth without insurance.

A) In a Christian context, fornication/immorality IS "doing something wrong.

B)Where's the baby-daddy, and why isn't he kicking in financially; and/or being sued for paternity?

C)Based on all the evidence presented, it sounds like she's too stupid & careless to be teaching science, or much of anything else, in any case.

Marriage; then sex; then children: any other order is wrong.

126 posted on 04/11/2012 4:38:14 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: CA Conservative

This is exactly the problem the school has. Now people have to make up background stories or say “I never publicly was opposed to divorce” in order to justify it.

And you didnt address the one sin is worse than another point that you made earlier.


127 posted on 04/11/2012 4:40:26 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Did you read the other linked article in the comments? She is marrying the father.


128 posted on 04/11/2012 4:42:39 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: nonsporting

Perhaps you should read Luke 7:36 and John 7:53-8:11.

What would Jesus do?


130 posted on 04/11/2012 4:57:59 PM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: reg45

“Wouldn’t it have been simpler for her to just get married.”

She probably doesn’t know who the father is.


131 posted on 04/11/2012 5:16:21 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Raider Sam

No, I didn’t.

I’ll scratch”B”, but still stand by “A” and “C”.

I’ll also continue to stand by, “Marriage; then sex; then children: any other order is wrong.”

She still needed to lose her job. “Forgiveness” does NOT mean “no consequences”.


132 posted on 04/11/2012 5:40:52 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Raider Sam

They work together. True leaders lead by example, which are outward expressions of inward beliefs. They are intricately tied. IMHO, perception is very important as a leader, especially to the young who look to such a leader for guidance. This also includes what comes from the mouth, which completes the understanding of the perception and sin or absence thereof.


133 posted on 04/11/2012 6:19:34 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: BobL

She does, and she is marrying him.


134 posted on 04/11/2012 6:19:45 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: ApplegateRanch

That was never my contention. My problem is they hired a divorced woman and then fired her for getting pregnant because sex before marriage goes against their teachings, but divorce does not appear to.


135 posted on 04/11/2012 6:22:04 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: SgtHooper

I agree that perception is important. But because the school decided to act the way they did, we now know that the school was ok with hiring a divorced woman, but fired her for getting pregnant before getting re-married. And now the school will have to deal with the perception of hypocrisy because of it. By their actions, they have brought more scrutiny upon themselves.


136 posted on 04/11/2012 6:27:26 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: SgtHooper

BTW, I like your tagline.


137 posted on 04/11/2012 6:31:05 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Raider Sam

There are Biblical reasons for divorce; there aren’t for fornication.

Divorce can be forced upon one, against their will, by the other party. What sin attaches to one for the sins of another?

Divorce, regardless of responsibility or reason, is forgivable upon repentance; and nothing ongoing attaches thereto, IF the divorced party then remains in their estate, maintaining chastity...she didn’t.

Are either of us privy to the details of her divorce? If not, then best not to judge on that basis.

OTOH, the fornication and pregnancy are undeniably upon her; and they are in contravention of her contract’s morals clause.


138 posted on 04/11/2012 9:23:52 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Kirkwood
What if she was raped and decided to keep the baby? Should she be punished? Your sense of morality is full of holes and you also know nothing about the circumstances here.

And what if she got pregnant by one of her students, or one of the students Fathers, or what if ad nauseaum.....

You don't know the circumstances either. The school is simply following the contract they have with her. If you make an exception in this case then you start on a slippery slope. They have an established policy. The time to fight it would have been before she got pregnant.

139 posted on 04/12/2012 1:54:20 AM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: Kirkwood
Firing this woman is the same as spitting in God’s eye as far as I’m concerned. Haven’t you hypocrits learned anything from what Jesus taught you?

No it is sending the very clear message that actions have consequences. Several years ago a new teacher at an inner city school wanted to have a baby shower for one of the girls that was pregnant. Several of the more senior teachers told him that he was not to do that under any circumstance, because what ever you reward you increase. The last thing we need is more young ladies thinking they can get presents for getting pregnant out of wedlock.

140 posted on 04/12/2012 2:07:39 AM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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