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To: Fledermaus

I am not a “birther”...I simply understand that America is more of a philosophy than a geographical location. America represents individual liberty, Christianity, and hence limited government. America has been killed in this country...the best we can do is to restore it. We are not a free nation...there is hardly a decision you make that does not involve the government in some manner.

I KNOW W was one of the most conservative Presidents we have had. Yes, he believed that you and all have a right to their own property. Thus, he cut taxes...it was the Republican congress that made the cuts temporary so that they could use the issue as an election tool later. BTW, Romney wants to make the tax cuts permanent (pretty liberal eh?). W, tried to push for personal ownership as an ideal...folks...probably like you simply did not have a clue. While he went around the nation getting lambasted for trying to put our own retirement into our hands...the so called conservatives ignored it. I know you were out there in the streets carrying signs and showing support, but you were one of the few.

I was fortunate enough to attend one of the Presidential Galas and heard W speak...off the cuff. He spoke of the importance in the Middle East of bringing God’s desire for man to live free. That each and every soul had the right to be free...gee that is conservative as hell and more conservative than any President since Ronald Reagan declared the pact with the Soviet Union that gave them eastern Europe illegal for our then President to sign...and hence non-binding. Anyway, W also spoke of the real fight...that between evil and good. He understood the influence evil was having in our world and that we cannot fight evil with evil and hope to win. That hatred would result in defeat for us...in other words a true Christian leader.

His effort in No Child Left Behind were strategic and morally sound. Consider, if we truly put tough standards to the education system (which there was no way we were going to abandon it...true conservatives like you would have had a hissy fit!)that made them teach...how enriching that would be for our society. But, more importantly how it was immoral to continue with the racist inefficiency and intolerable sloth of our system. That was a conservative answer in a non-conservative nation. It was a step in the right direction. He also pushed vouchers...but, even though there were millions of people out there voicing their support for freedom of choice of schools...it didn’t work (yes, I am being facetious to make a larger point).

As usual his strategic mind saw the problem of illegal immigration more fully than most. There is no way...none, zip, nada that we will deport twenty million people. It would crash our economy, be heartless and morally wrong. His Christianity would not allow it, and it simply is not smart. He was just honest enough to let you know that. Many prefer to hear the lies from those who would deceive for powers sake.

You may be an old man Fledermaus, but you do not understand free markets or economics...you simply relate that which you THINK is conservative...I don’t see anywhere where you understand freedom.

Bush did not destroy the free market and never implied that he did. He stated that he needed to use a tactic that was not generally free market principled to save the free market. And, he was right in his assessment. The initial bailout was simply injecting cash in a true emergency situation...with no strings attached, which was actually free market principled...and it worked. I realize you do not understand what happened when there was a extremely serious, dangerous run on our financial institutions...but trust me when I say it was a real calamity that could have resulted in much much more damage than 9/11 and yes, I believe it was manipulated, not by W but some group that wanted to seriously harm the US.

It may interest you to know that I studied Economics in college, have made a good living using that knowledge in investments. We are not a free nation Fledermaus...we don’t have the luxury of picking and choosing those who would defeat the real enemy of America...the democrats. So, if you can get off your high horse of misplaced, misguided principles and join in the fight...it would be greatly appreciated. Otherwise you are doing nothing...not one thing other than supporting the democrats. Duped into a strategy that guarantees their continued power.


43 posted on 04/10/2012 3:23:45 AM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Wpin
His effort in No Child Left Behind were strategic and morally sound.

No RINO left behind equates to more big big government -the utopian ends you want do not legitimize the federal means THIS IS PROGRESSIVE. The REAL conservatives' 'goal' entails getting the federal government out of the business of eduction; getting rid of central planning, and returning education back to state and local control.

As usual his strategic mind saw the problem of illegal immigration more fully than most. There is no way...none, zip, nada that we will deport twenty million people.

More RINO talking points. The President is NOT a dictator and as such should uphold the law -period.

Your immigration dreams are conflated with your lack of understanding as to how much power the Executive really has. Obama is ignoring the law and YOU are ignoring the Constitution.

44 posted on 04/10/2012 4:19:26 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Wpin
“You may be an old man Fledermaus, but you do not understand free markets or economics...you simply relate that which you THINK is conservative...I don’t see anywhere where you understand freedom.”

You don't know me from Adam. You are judging, pure and simple.

BTW, I have an undergraduate degree in Economics from the Univ of Ark. and was working on my masters when I started working at a major hotel.

I then continued in the luxury hotel business for 30 years managing huge properties. Don't dare lecture me on free markets and freedom.

You are inferring only because of my lackluster support for so-called conservatives. You can argue until the cows come home at how conservative W was. You lie that he didn't say “I had to destroy the free market to save it” comment. You may call that pragmatic, I call it arrogant. Just like his daddy.

W could give great speeches and do the opposite. I saw him at the Grand Old Opry give a great speech until he started on that illegal immigration crap. The crowd booed him.

And now here you are, ala Rick Perry, lecturing me on the “Christian” thing to do and how “we can't do this and can't do that”. You sound like a RINO.

We didn't import them, won't have to deport them. Just turn off the magnet and most will leave on their own. It's not my fault Mexico is a basket case. Under your RIDICULOUS view, we should start ferrying Chinese across the Pacific to “get a better life”. Wouldn't that be the Christian thing to do?

Infusing a dying industry (yes, the government helped kill it) with cash IS NOT a free market principle. Structured bankruptcy is. I'd have flunked you if you were in my economics class for that view.

So why don't you get off the fence and stop this middle of the road argument trying to actually say Bush 43, Bush 41 and Romney are conservatives. They use conservatives as a means to power and then run back to the left of center to “work across the isle” and shove large government down our throats. Bush called it “compassionate conservatism” while I saw it as big government light.

People like Bushes, Romney, even Newt and Santorum, see power under any label as a way to implement their “enlightened” visions over the rest of us. Romney has NO record and says NOTHING that shows he'll govern our way out of this mess. At best, he says he'll just slow it down.

As to freedom, you are arrogant to presume I don't understand it because I don't blindly, like you, follow GOP thinking to the letter. I'm a conservative, not a Republican.

Don't forget this: it was the GOP, along with W, that banned the 100 watt incandescent lightbulb. I now have NO FREEDOM to purchase one. But I'm sure you have a pragmatic explanation. Now who is on a high horse?

P.S. America DOES NOT represent Christianity. It represents freedom of religion. If my knee jerked like yours I'd call you a religious bigot but instead I'm sure you just misspoke.

52 posted on 04/11/2012 2:24:49 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useless.)
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