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To: 21twelve; Reese Hamm

Well, that’s as reasonable a theory as any, and it fits the known facts and timeline. It is similar to things I’ve suggested among the many posts I’ve made here during my (somewhat unhealthy) obsession with this case for the last couple of weeks. As I’ve said before, it is perfectly reasonable to believe that both Martin and Zimmerman started out acting reasonably, but things got out of control. In your scenario, I can easily put myself in either one’s shoes (up to a point.) And none of that necessarily means Zimmerman committed a crime.

Zimmerman’s account (via his father) is that the conversation went like this:

M: You got a problem?
Z: No, I don’t have a problem.
M: Well, now you do! *punch*

That may fit the witness account of raised voices, too, and again, the known evidence does not contradict Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense.

Remember, we haven’t actually heard Zimmerman’s account - just versions of various parts of it recounted by others. All we know for sure is that he claimed self-defense and the police concluded that none of the evidence contradicted his claim.


248 posted on 04/01/2012 4:39:57 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: PhatHead
I'd like to know how investigator Serino reached the conclusion that Martin spoke with Zimmerman twice, minutes apart. First contact at the car, then Z gets out minutes later to find TM.

If there had been a first contact that involved conversation, it doesn't appear on the recording of Z with dispatch. I wonder if Serino is planting a BS story with the family - stirring the pot if you will. Or did Z give a different version?

A police detective told the father of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin that his son initiated two confrontations with the neighborhood watch volunteer who fatally shot him. ...

Trayvon Martin walked up to Zimmerman's vehicle and asked why he was following him. Zimmerman denied following the youth and rolled up the car window. Minutes after Trayvon walked away, Zimmerman got out of his vehicle.

To square this away with the recorded call, this encounter would have happened (minutes) before Z called dispatch.

The length of time on the recorded call has TM in sight for a good 30 seconds, staring, getting closer, hands in waistband, staring some more, then run. Is all this a pure fabrication by Z?

254 posted on 04/01/2012 4:51:32 PM PDT by Cboldt
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