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Trayvon Martin shooting: It's not George Zimmerman crying for help on 911 recording, 2 experts say
Chicago Tribune ^ | 3/31/12 | Jeff Weiner

Posted on 03/31/2012 4:44:41 PM PDT by Krankor

As the Trayvon Martin controversy splinters into a debate about self-defense, a central question remains: Who was heard crying for help on a 911 call in the moments before the teen was shot?

A leading expert in the field of forensic voice identification sought to answer that question by analyzing the recordings for the Orlando Sentinel.

His result: It was not George Zimmerman who called for help.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; trayvonmartin
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To: Alice in Wonderland

Again you are obfuscating and willfully misrepresenting.

Your post #163:

“At least three witnesses have reported that Martin was on the bottom, under Zimmerman, face down when he was shot.”

IN FACT the witnesses you are talking about claim they saw Zimmerman standing over Martin AFTER the shooting.

YOU ARE A LIAR.


321 posted on 03/31/2012 11:34:42 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

If you have an autopsy report please post it.

Crickets.


322 posted on 03/31/2012 11:45:02 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: trappedincanuckistan

I love the two female roommates. Their story seems to change and grow as time goes on. The blonde appears to be a venomous little harpy who insist Zimmerman is guilty- because she just believes he is. And her Hispanic buddy’s malapropisms reminds me of Ricky Ricardo. I keep expecting her to say, “Lucy, I’m home”.


323 posted on 03/31/2012 11:47:16 PM PDT by Krankor
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To: trappedincanuckistan

Don’t you know the difference between straddling and standing?

And the fellow in the audio claimed Zimmerman was lying on top of Martin when the gun was fired.

Is he a liar too?


324 posted on 03/31/2012 11:53:50 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: trappedincanuckistan

If I have time, I’ll scan and post it tomorrow. You do realize that it is not the Martin autopsy, right?

I’m going to bed now.

Toodles


325 posted on 03/31/2012 11:59:56 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Alice in Wonderland

“Don’t you know the difference between straddling and standing?”

Still obfuscating. The fact is you tried to claim the witnesses (Cutcher and her roommate) said that Zimmerman was on top of a face down Martin AT THE TIME OF THE SHOOTING when in fact that what they say they saw took place AFTER THE SHOOTING. You were basically saying that these witnesses saw Zimmerman shoot Martin in the back (post #163). YOU LIED. GOT CAUGHT. AND WON’T ADMIT IT.

I’m done with you. You have no credibility.


326 posted on 04/01/2012 12:04:19 AM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: trappedincanuckistan
"Alice" is talking about a completely unrelated autopsy report from the death of a friend or family member or whatever in which there was both an exit wound and entrance wound in the decedent's head, according to her.

This is all they do, introduce completely irrelevant information to obfuscate the pertinent information.

I wish there was an "ignore" feature.

327 posted on 04/01/2012 12:07:43 AM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: 101stAirborneVet

She should be zotted. I reported her post 163 which is a complete lie.


328 posted on 04/01/2012 12:15:00 AM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: RIghtwardHo
An easy call.

Is Zimmerman indefensible? What if, after sustaining the smae injuries, he fought back with his hands, and Martin died as a result, would that also be manslaughter?

329 posted on 04/01/2012 12:18:41 AM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: trappedincanuckistan
How can there be entry and exit wounds when only one wound was reported?

maybe the troll believes that Zimmerman shoved the gun down his attacker's throat while he was being beaten and then shot him. ;-)
330 posted on 04/01/2012 12:21:46 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

maybe the troll believes that Zimmerman shoved the gun down his attacker’s throat while he was being beaten and then shot him. ;-)

It’s so frustrating. You catch them outright lying, and they just move on to the next lie.


331 posted on 04/01/2012 12:31:27 AM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: Alice in Wonderland
-- "After the larger man got off and then there was a boy, obviously now dead, on the ground facing down." --

The word "off" doesn't appear in the article you linked. Perhaps you can link to a different one for that proposition.

Assuming that phrase is printed somewhere, which of the two is larger? How would the eyewitness know one was a "boy?" The statement is ambiguous. Needs more context from the eyewitness.

Anyway, I can read for myself, have done so. I have reached the conclusion that you are an odious person.

332 posted on 04/01/2012 3:42:01 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: MaxMax
-- But before this the mother said it wasn't Martin. Did mom change her story? --

"Tracy" is the father. One of the FoxNews35 articles (I think), an early one, has an associated video. In the video, they have Tracy Martin - he's obviously a male, they talk with him. The article refers to Tracy as the mother. Pretty funny - it's not like the news folks can claim confusion for this error.

333 posted on 04/01/2012 3:47:49 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: demas415
"In home school we can’t have civics debate and discussion class like a regular school, so we have to participate in the site the tutor picks. The democrats site is not allowed because they use cuss words."

Sounds like you have a good tutor. There is hope for you yet.

334 posted on 04/01/2012 3:59:18 AM PDT by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: RIghtwardHo
"As a former Prosecutor of 25 years I am stunned Zimmerman wasn’t charged with Manslaughter. There is way more than enough probable cause to do so. I certainly expect he will be by the Special Prosecutor. I think 2nd Degree Murder is going to far, but this is somewhere between Involuntary and Voluntary. An easy call."

You were a waste of taxpayer money.

335 posted on 04/01/2012 4:04:59 AM PDT by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: trappedincanuckistan
-- Odd that these witnesses had 30 days to concoct stories, and they still couldn't come up with anything relevant. --

Assuming they were there, and from the content of their stories, I think they were, they are quite likely to have been interviewed by police at the scene. The only thing "new" is that they spoke with NBC. I wonder if they were paid for appearing? Not saying they changed their testimony, BTW. Just wonder if they were paid by NBC.

Cutcher and her roommate, Selma Lamilla.

Cutcher says Zimmerman told her and her roommate to call the police.
That's a reliable sign of guilt. Heh.
"He started walking back and forth like three times with his hand on the head and kind of, he was walking like kind of confused," [Lamilla] said.

Lamilla said he was touching his head like "he was in shock."

Well, her testimony reduces the chance that Piers Morgan's speculation, that Zimmerman injured himself after shooting Martin, is feasible.

Looked for Dateline NBC Transcript, with that dunce, Lester Holt, and this is the best I found: Witnesses describe Trayvon Martin's final moments; Parents say 'He was headed on the right path' - Jessica Hopper, Dateline NBC.

336 posted on 04/01/2012 4:08:43 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: trappedincanuckistan
-- It's so frustrating. --

Well, that's your problem. There's no need to correct all errors, lies and etc. on the forum - people will generally figure out the details that matter, even faced with posts that misrepresent the source material.

By now, on this issue, the forum is pretty well in tune with the dozen or so who have comprehension problems, or who are taking the opportunity to entertain themselves.

337 posted on 04/01/2012 4:19:50 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Alice in Wonderland
I google searched part of your quote. This is what I got ...

Web Results 1 - 1 of about 1 for "After the larger man got off and then there was a boy".
(0.13 seconds)

Trayvon Martin shooting: It's not George Zimmerman crying for help ...

5 hours ago ... After the larger man got off and then there was a boy, obviously now dead, on the ground facing down. 303 posted on 03/31/2012 10:32:35 ...
www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2866509/posts?page=311


338 posted on 04/01/2012 4:26:18 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: demas415

The medics glued my recent pacemaker replacement incision. Never had a bandage on it. Zimmerman apparently has a head of hair. The area would have to be shaved to apply any kind of bandage. I doubt that would happen in the back seat of a police vehicle in the dark. Any treatment would likely have been a little bit of a cleanup.


339 posted on 04/01/2012 4:26:37 AM PDT by Western Phil
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To: Cboldt; MaxMax
That's Tracy Martin on the right:


340 posted on 04/01/2012 4:34:56 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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