Posted on 03/31/2012 4:44:41 PM PDT by Krankor
As the Trayvon Martin controversy splinters into a debate about self-defense, a central question remains: Who was heard crying for help on a 911 call in the moments before the teen was shot?
A leading expert in the field of forensic voice identification sought to answer that question by analyzing the recordings for the Orlando Sentinel.
His result: It was not George Zimmerman who called for help.
(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...
Heh, I have to admit, linking to “Democracy Now” on Free Republic is kind of like taking a mask off.
Whoever that person is, they are no conservative. It sounds like he/she is suffering from cognitive dissonance.
When it is someone with liberal leanings suffering from cognitive dissonance, they either become a full fledged liberal and never suffer from it again (because it is the only way liberals can exist, by fully embracing “doublethink”) or they become a conservative.
Perhaps Floriduh Voter is experiencing cognitive dissonance because he/she has always thought of themself as a conservative, but is only now feeling the pull from the liberal side.
No matter how you paint it, it is a bad situation, and shows up in the posts.
This is what I found on another forensic audio expert’s site:
http://trueaudioforensics.blogspot.com/
“The following are the standards accepted nationally by all professional organizations involved with voice identification, including the FBI, the Audio Engineering Society, the International Association for Identification, and the American Board of Recorded Evidence:
IDENTIFICATION: At least 90% of all comparable words must be very similar aurally and spectrally, producing not less than twenty (20) matching words. The voice samples must not be more than six (6) years apart.
PROBABLE IDENTIFICATION: At least 80% of the comparable words must be very similar aurally and spectrally, producing not less than fifteen (15) matching words.
POSSIBLE IDENTIFICATION: At least 80% of comparable words must be very similar aurally and spectrally, producing not less than ten (10) matching words.
INCONCLUSIVE: Falls below either the Possible Identification or Possible Elimination confidence levels and/or the examiner does not believe a meaningful decision is obtainable due to various limiting factors.
POSSIBLE ELIMINATION: At least 80% of comparable words must be very dissimilar aurally and spectrally, producing not less than ten (10) words that do not match.
PROBABLE ELIMINATION: At least 80% of the comparable words must be dissimilar aurally and spectrally, producing not less than fifteen (15) words that do not match.
ELIMINATION: At least 90% of the comparable words must be very dissimilar aurally and spectrally, producing not less than twenty (20) words that do not match.”
If these are the criteria, then 48% would be inconclusive. It seems odd that Tom Owen would state an opinion that it was Zimmerman’s voice.
There seems to be an awful lot of disinformation out there. I don’t know why folks can’t wait until the Grand Jury does its work. It is so disgusting how this young man’s tragic death is being used by political leeches like Sharpton.
Yes, but that's not the only scenario that produces that result. If Zimmerman has the back of the slide against his chest, he can stop it. I don't know if it would, for sure, bruise him - but I think it would! Still, that would represent a close-quarters discharge, a last resort sort of position to be firing from. If you can, you extend your arm, and at least get the back end of the gun away from your own body before firing.
“An easy call.”
You’re must have been a lousy prosecutor. In no way is Martin’s physical attack not self-defense. Nothing Zimmerman did so far points to physical contact warranted by Martin.
Yep. Not a good idea to post commie propaganda at FR : )
On another note
I suppose Zimmerman will be prosecuted. It will be interesting to see how close the police report is
to reality. I suspect pretty close.
Yeah. That’s it. I was a lousy Prosecutor and I am SURE you were a good one. *eye roll*
Sarcasm isn’t logic, so, yes, you must have been a lousy prosecutor.
If those are the criteria, the expert should say there is not enough evidence to support the test protocol. In other words, I am unable to form an opinion on the matter, one way or the other.
You might be saying the same thing by saying the result is inconclusive, but I think my phrasing is less ambiguous, and does represent an appropriate answer by an expert who know how to couch expert testimony.
Why do you believe that we should prosecute Zimmerman?
Heh. The article was long on opinion and short on fact. I don't fault people for citing left/commie writing, if they point out specifically the parts in it that bolster their argument. Just linking to a lengthy article, without explanation or excerpting, isn't persuasive argumentation.
I argued the anti-Libby side here, and didn't get much flack for it. I didn't make a pest of myself, said what I had to say, supported my point of view, then moved on.
It looks like “sources” told ABC News that the lead investigator, Chris Serino, “didn’t believe the story” and that he wanted Zimmerman charged. Do you know if we have anything more concrete than the ABC News article with anonymous sources? I have been unable to find anything, and I tend to doubt the veracity of their claim.
Are you really that naive?
It doesn’t matter imo. Prosecutors are trained in the law, and qualified to make the call. Police aren’t. Investigators often want cases pursued that DAs don’t.
At least three witnesses: Mary Cutcher, Selma Mora Lamilla, and the guy on this audio claim that Martin was lying face-down on the ground and Zimmerman was on top of him.
http://globalgrind.com/news/anonymous-eye-witness-trayvon-martin-shooting-breaks-silence-video
Nothing that I am aware of, and I spent a good couple hours looking. I speculated that Serino's affidavit was some novel legal theory, that getting out of a car and following amounts to "Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself." Pure speculation on my part.
An alternative, and what I have read, is that he did not believe Zimmerman's story. This leads to a different line of speculation on my part, that if Serino doesn't believe Zimmerman, it is because Zimmerman's story is too pat - that he was too restrained, too perfect, etc. That he HAD to have said or done something to get Trayvon to snap. And, rather than make the call at this stage, he'd send it to the jury.
DA has a different point of view of the law, including the onus of a bogus prosecution. It is the DA (Nifong) who gets slammed for wrongful prosecution, not the investigator.
OUCH! So do I.
Let's see what's behind the door ...
[The guy on the audio said] "It would have to be starting with hearing voices, but not seeing, and then, after the voices, opening a window and then seeing -- with two men or two people on the ground, one on top of each other." ....Oh well, better luck next time!Here is what the witness said:
A man later identified as Zimmerman put his hand to his head after getting up but did not appear injured.
It was dark, and the witness -- who was watching from a side view -- could not tell which man pulled the trigger or see clearly during the struggle, which happened on the grass in the rain.
The person saw no blood.
The person had closed the window because it was raining but opened it to hear better when the witness realized the voices were not people talking while walking their dogs as usual.
Kids don’t make phone calls or leave voice messages much anymore.
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