"What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
But now that I think of it, it would be insulting to Bluto.
Posted on 03/31/2012 4:44:41 PM PDT by Krankor
As the Trayvon Martin controversy splinters into a debate about self-defense, a central question remains: Who was heard crying for help on a 911 call in the moments before the teen was shot?
A leading expert in the field of forensic voice identification sought to answer that question by analyzing the recordings for the Orlando Sentinel.
His result: It was not George Zimmerman who called for help.
(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...
He/She needs zotting.
As a former juror, Mr. Prosecutor, good luck getting a conviction. My fellow jurors and I stuffed the prosecutor on a ginned up PC case like this right after the city bought us lunch. Didn't even get to eat my french fries.
What we know about that is he tossed some woman at a party. When you are hired to be party security, you're supposed to let some things happen, without asserting force. I think he was too "law and order" to understand the bouncer scene.
-- Are posters defending Zimmerman or what? --
Well, mostly looking at the evidence. The evidence drives the discussion. Some people are defending Trayvon. Some have opined that Trayvon has a right to hit a person who is following him. Not true as a matter of law, but hey, plenty of wrong-headed people in the world.
-- What's the real reason to defend Zimmerman as more facts come out that aren't so good for him? --
What evidence cuts against his story?
"What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
But now that I think of it, it would be insulting to Bluto.
Do you know when Travon’s dad changed his mind about telling detectives that it wasn’t his son screaming? Or was that a false report or something? I gather that the family now thinks it is him. Has the father talked about it anywhere? I haven’t been following the story very closely.
Freegards
It's a federal offense to posses a firearm, while under a DV restraining order that contains certain elements. Zimmerman was under such an order, which he satisfied, and has since expired.
There are tactics that are used by losers, including a couple trolls on this thread. One, is “appeal to paranoid schizophrenic conspiracy theory advocates”. I’m surprised no witnesses have come forward claiming to have seen Harvey Keitel at the scene with a couple bars of soap and a garden hose. Anyone here believe the entire chain of command of Florida’s law enforcement was mobilized in the minutes after the incident? Good. Another tactic is “appeal to ‘oh not this shit again’”. They hammer on ridiculous things that have been resolved, or are just plain stupid. For God’s sake, George Zimmerman was on the bottom, he was screaming, his nose was bleeding, the back of his head was cut up. It’s not debatable. There are photographs, sworn documents, and believable eyewitnesses.
Talk amongst yourselves, edify each other. DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS.
I called the kitties and then retracted. So not going there again today (avoiding self-immolation). Anyone else feel the need? I mean just WOW.
I think most of us here think you are a lying piece of work. You make all kind of statements which you cannot back up unless you heard it from a radical leftist site.
Some of your crap is clearly made up like the 3 witnesses. Some of it comes from your fellow travelers, and when you post something which is roughly correct you take a menaing from it which no rational person would.
So I suspect you are a plant put here just to put in info which is easily seen as false. You are not even a very good plant. I mean Zimmerman was a “Mammas Boy” Oh goodness he must be guilty of all kinds of crimes.
Well, we have one troll quoting a communist no-sponsor radio show : )
People make their reputation on logic and intelligent posting on Free Republic, and you don’t have much of a reputation from what anyone on this thread can see.
I didn’t address your reputation and I think you are just confused, since that post you referenced was to someone else who might simply be inexperienced in this forum.
You don’t have any excuse. You are what you are, and that is evident to anyone on this thread.
Zimmerman was taking a beating for 30-60 seconds or so. Did not go for his gun, yelled for help. While shifting his body so his head would be smashed into grass, instead of into the sidewalk, his shirt pulled up and his firearm became visible. At that point, says Zimmerman, Trayvon issued his death threat, "You're gonna die tonight." Trayvon was attempting to disarm Zimmerman so he could shoot Zimmerman. Probably both of them had hands on the pistol. If Trayvon pulls the gun toward himself, he very well could have "pulled the trigger" by his action. IOW, it may be that Zimmerman did not intend the firearm to discharge.
We don't know what he said under questioning, or why one of the investigators didn't believe the story. We don't have that affidavit to get a handle on the counter-argument.
or why one of the investigators didn't believe the story
Is there a reliable source that a particular investigator didn't believe Zimmerman's story, or is this based on the fact that the police report was merely titled "manslaughter"?
Media all say TM was shot in the chest so how does this tie with your saying he was face down when shot ?
Absolute horse dung!
Eye witness refutes your absurd assertion!
There a Serino or Seriano, or something like that affidavit, that disagrees with the decision to not at least hold, and maybe to charge Zimmerman. This is separate from the "what pigeonhole is this investigation in" entry on the initial investigation forms.
Some of our fellow Freepers that are better acquainted with the Kel-Tek have pointed out that exact scenario would explain the lack of a chambered round.
LOL
I believe she is referring to a witness that claims Zimmerman was standing over Martin AFTER the shooting, but in her mind (largely influenced by rantings on hard left websites) it has morphed into a witness saying Zimmerman shot Martin in the back (contrary to other witnesses, physical evidence and Zimmerman’s statement).
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